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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:47 am 
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"I would like to make something perfectly clear about the slant six engine in the XNR, Doug Dutra had absolutely nothing to do with the building of this engine. He only sold RM Auto Restoration a couple of parts. Contrary to what Mr. Dutra implies, this engine is built to the exact sepecifications as it was in 1960..."

http://www.allpar.com/forums/topic/1448 ... -for-sale/


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:22 am 
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Wuh-oh—looks as if the error is mine. I misremembered the nature and extent of Doc's involvement with that engine (see here) when I was having an offhand conversation (started with "oh, lookit there, the XNR is up for auction!") with Allpar's owner. Did not mean for those remarks to be published as they were (and neither did the Allpar site owner; one of his staffers grabbed it and chucked it up on the site).

Doc explains his involvement here. So basically RM is right that Doc didn't build the engine. But they do seem extremely defensive about it, don't they! I believe RM's disproportionately bristly response is probably due to their wanting to "control the message" regarding the engine in the car (because $$$$$), and that's not something that can be readily determined because of the nature of a concept car: the badging, promotional material, and hype often say one thing while the actuality is something else altogether. This is just plain common sense: by all means dress up the engine bay to whatever degree necessary in accord with how much of the engine bay will be on display, but actually build the engine in accord with how the vehicle is going to be actually used -- which for most concept cars is "not much at all", just very slowly across a stage or on and off a show field or maybe in a demonstration lap or two around a track.

In a credibility contest between Doc ("mild build for putt-putting around the show grounds") and the owner trying to impress Jay Leno or RM trying to assure top $$$$ for the car ("exact correct genuine actual real perfect restoration to 1960 NASCAR specs! Over 250 million billion horsepowers! More than 9,000 RPM! It'll boil the road in first gear!!!!11!!1!!"), Doc wins with all six connecting rods tied behind his back.

Sigh. Off to request some cleanup on aisle six. :-(

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:58 am 
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Fix in progress by Allpar site owner.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Hey everybody, beans are located in aisle six.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:00 pm 
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Credibility ends with thinking Comp 264= Nascar spec......

As one who has to deal with Authenticity Crap on a daily basis ....I recommend a shrug and grunt all round.....

<shrug> <grunt>

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:38 pm 
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…and speaking on behalf of RM Restorations, I can assure you that rumors are completely false of the shock absorber grommets not bearing factory part numbers. Moreover, the air in the tires is New Old Stock 1960 NASCAR air, as envisioned by Virgil Exner. Claims otherwise are obviously a malicious whisper campaign trying to damage the value of the car.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:34 am 
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If I may put my 5 cents worth in. I have always really, really liked the XNR. But by looking at the photos of the engine bay it looks to not have the correct 3083s Carter carby that went with these motors on the Daytona cars. The fuel line enters the carby in the wrong place.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:56 am 
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It looks like the correct location for the fuel inlet to me.

They did a beautiful job on that restoration.

It's being reintroduced to the world, and somebody will display/show it, museum, collector, or whatever.

It's not like the dead trail of the Lotus 11 Valiant that may end in a car crusher or landfill. Sure hope not.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:10 am 
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Better that it is in Canada then Bayroootee !
Look hard at the front bumper and headlamps.....Kinda looks like a 1971 Plymouth B Body.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:40 am 
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Personally, I couldn't care less about the finer points like whether or not the carb is correct. I am just happy that this wonderful piece of slant six, Chrysler, and automotive history has survived and has been restored. I just hope it doesn't disappear into a private collection.

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