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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:29 pm 
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The flow numbers I have found are on quite a few different heads.
Still waiting on some more numbers, but what I have found is not very exciting.
Hughes Cams says most Mopar heads (V8) flatten out around .4 inch valve lift.
Ported heads will flow well into the .5-.6 lift range.

The trend I am seeing is around .35 for slant six heads.
There is some increase with higher lifts, but much less delta increases.
Generally speaking on the intake I see about a 25 CFM increase every .05 increase in lift.
Around .35 the increase in flow goes to lower or single digit changes in cfm.

Far from scientific collection of data, but the trend is consistent.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:13 am 
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My junk (most of it):

Here are the goods on the head I got from Howard Davis. This is the head he was running before he made his billet head:

Valve sizes are: Exhaust - 1.45 and Intake - 1.70
Chamber volume=50cc

Lift....Intake@28"....Exhaust@28"......Ratio..E/I
200.....116.60.............95.00...............81%
300.....158.12............133.56..............84%
400.....177.00............158.12..............89%
450.....185.26............159.30..............86%
500.....188.80............159.30..............84%
550.....189.98............159.30..............84%
AVG:...169.29............144.10..............85%

Compared to the Norm Foster head flowed on the same bench:

Valve sizes are: Exhaust - 1.55 and Intake - 1.83
Chamber volume=45cc

Lift....Intake@28"....Exhaust@28"......Ratio..E/I
200.......89...................70................78.6%
300......137.................107................78.1%
400......174.................122................70.1%
450......187.................126................67.4%
500......195.................129................66.1%
530......198.................131................66.2%
550......195.................131................67.2%
600......184.................132................71.7%
AVG:...169.87.............118.50............69.7%

And the Gary Bruner head flowed on a different bench at 25"
(Seymour's Notes)

Valve sizes are: Exhaust - 1.45 and Intake - 1.78
Chamber volume=47cc

Lift....Intake@25"....Exhaust@25"......Ratio..E/I
200.....102....................93.................91%
300.....150...................141................94%
400.....183...................160................87%
500.....192...................169................88%
600.....201...................177................88%
700.....205...................181................88%
AVG:...153.50..............172.16............89%

And the milder Gerald Wright head on GodsRods Duster II (Also flowed by Gerald on the same bench as the Davis and Foster heads):

Valve sizes are: Exhaust - 1.31 and Intake - 1.61
Chamber volume=53cc(?)

Lift....Intake@28"....Exhaust@28"......Ratio..E/I
200.....103....................85.................83%
300.....143...................102................72%
400.....160...................110................69%
500.....168...................118................70%
600.....168...................118................70%
700.....168...................118................70%
AVG:...151.66..............108.50............71.5%

And last, but not least (well, actually it is the least :lol: ) is the same head as above before Gerald cleaned up the ports a little bit.

Valve sizes are: Exhaust - 1.31 and Intake - 1.61
(I think he flowed it after the valve size increase, but these numbers may be completely stock, can't remember now)

Lift....Intake@28"....Exhaust@28"......Ratio..E/I
200......90.....................87.................90%
300.....129...................104................81%
400.....141...................110................78%
500.....148...................113................77%
600.....148...................113................77%
700.....148...................113................77%
AVG:...134...................106.66...........79.6%

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:53 am 
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Those seem like a good selection of valve size and flow #'s to have around. They should be made into a sticky because these questions about flow come up very often....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:29 pm 
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The average Intake flow on Gary's head seems to be off to me. Compared to Norm's head, it is higher at all lifts, but has a lower (153.5) average.)?? Maybe my math is off! :D :D

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:30 pm 
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Those 2 heads are different in every way from both intake and exhaust valves to the chamber size. The difference in valve sizes of course can change the average and so can chamber size. I think they each are respectable for the way they are prepped.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:05 pm 
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But Gary's head is higher in flow at every lift, but lower as an average? That makes no sense to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:21 pm 
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Rob on the last 2 head numbers you list a 1.31 Exhaust Valve.
That is smaller than the stock valve.
Is that correct or a typo?
1.62 and 1.36 are stock valve sizes.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:40 pm 
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Norms head has 8 data points of reference and Gary's only has 6, that's why the average is higher....Subtract the 2 extra data points and see what you get....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:18 pm 
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hyper_pak wrote:
Rob on the last 2 head numbers you list a 1.31 Exhaust Valve.
That is smaller than the stock valve.
Is that correct or a typo?
1.62 and 1.36 are stock valve sizes.


Probably just a typo. My badness.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:25 pm 
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CNC-Dude wrote:
Norms head has 8 data points of reference and Gary's only has 6, that's why the average is higher....Subtract the 2 extra data points and see what you get....

The Intake & Exhaust avgs. are transposed...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:02 am 
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Yes I believe you are both right.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm 
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When Volvo entered the British Touring Car Championship in 1994 with the 850 estate, nobody could understand how the boxy station wagon kept pulling away from the competition on long straights. The car’s secret? The inline five-cylinder engine didn’t have its head on straight—literally. Tom Walkinshaw Racing had cleverly machined a wedge out of the stock head so it sat at an angle on the block, making the inlet port steeper than stock while the exhaust port was shallower. Better breathing helped TWR “find” 65 horsepower.

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