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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Nothing too excitin' Here,

Starting the Trans removal process:
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Take pictures of the Linkages before you take them out - It will help during re-assembly.
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Gosh dern (Censored), recover those seats. Looks like a leisure suit my dad owned!

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Forgot about the friction insert. Bummer. It might be ok...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:48 pm 
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wvenable wrote:
Gosh dern (Censored), recover those seats. Looks like a leisure suit my dad owned!

No Way wayne - I have Extras in my attic with the same fabric and I Bought out an Vintage auto upholstery warehouse - I have yards of that stuff.. Plaid On Brother!


anyway back to business:
I pulled the trans and old PP / Clutch / Flywheel out of the Duster.
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Test fit the New disc on the actual trans in will be going on.. No issues.
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Old Greasy Bell and other stuff will get a bath in the parts washer!
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Here are some shots of the Old Flywheel, 10" custom Disc that I had used and Custom 10" Borg& beck Press. Plate.

The Old Disc and Press. Plate were made by a local clutch Rebulder - He has since Retired and Closed Shop :-( I know of no one in the area now that does custom clutches; hence this install.
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This B& B Press Plate Has 12 Springs and I believe 2400# Holding force.. Good for a daily driver but it is the exploding Cast Iron Stuff :-(
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The Clutch Was a stock Borg & Beck 10" with 9 kevlar Buttons on it - Those buttons used to be 1/8" tall when It was new. :shock:
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Pressure Plate Finger Height Comparison.
Pay attention Here! This Is important for Making your Clutch Fork Pivot Shims.

Stock PP:
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This Measurement Looks to Be Right Around 2 3/4"
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New McLeod PP Finger Height:
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This Measurement Appears To be 2 5/8"
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I will use this measurement to setup the the new Clutch Fork Distance - Based on my own other project with the McLeod parts, and others who have used these parts before 2006 You might have to shim the Clutch fork 1/4" to 1/2" Closer to the Engine to get correct Pedal travel & clutch rod geometry.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:54 am 
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For those of us considering a 4-spd swap but who know next to NOTHING about clutches and such (unless I'm the only one here...),

Best. Thread. Ever.

THANKS, GREG!!!!!!!!

This should definitely be a sticky...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:29 pm 
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Well - A Moderator has Made this a Sticky!

Thanks Mods!

I have been pretty busy with work & other things so it's been a few days since my last update..

I have been piecing together the parts for this install and I noticed something of concern.
I am trying to get an expert answer on this before I forge ahead with the project.

I had particiaped in theWilcap AL flywheel Group Buy back in 2008.

This is a super nice flywheel (i will do a weight comparison soon) that (if you read the old post) I was adamant about the Flywheel that I ordered having the Ford 10" pressure plate mounting holes drilled onto it.

Well they are drilled on The Wilcap Flywheel and the PP i got last week from Summit/McLeod Fits fine on the Flywheel.

My concern is the Steel Friction insert:
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As you can see the insert is only 9" in diamater and the Clutch I want to use with this package is 10" and the PP is also 10".

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With the Steel friction insert being only 9"..........1/2" of the clutch disc and pressure plate will overhang this steel insert.. I am not sure i that's a good thing.
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I am waiting to hear back from wilcap to see if the Steel insert can be replaced with a 10" piece. I have not heard yet.


The other option will be to by the Steel SFI certified McLeod Flywheel Part# 464001

Since I had the Wilcap Piece in storage in my shop I wanted to use it - The Mcleod Piece will be some more ca$h that I would like to hang onto if possible.
I have one of the McLeod Dual Pattern Flywheels in the Dart - no problems - I just wanted to use the AL flywheel on this project.

We shall see.

If you have any thoughts on this chime in.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:01 pm 
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The friction surface on the flywheel needs to match the disc. If it doesn't you're losing a lot of clutch area.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:43 am 
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Let me know if Wilcap will redo the insert. I'd want mine done that way too. Thanks again for great thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:49 am 
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Let me know if Wilcap will redo the insert. I'd want mine done that way too. Thanks again for great thread.

Lou


I spoke with the Fine Folks@ Wilcap and The 10" insert on the Slant AL flywheel is a no-go - THe technical reason is that there would be no meat left in between the AL the Steel insert and the Ring Gear Rivets..

The AL flywheel will be a 9" to 9 1/2" only clutch piece - I suppose I could get a Nice 9" PP and make that combo work - But that will be on another project..

I ordered the McLeod 464001 Flywheel and Once that comes in I will continue with the Install.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Here are the Next Step(s) in the Process:


Before Re- assembly of the clutch / PP / Flywheel I like to Clean the Bell Housing inside and out before the Reinstall:

Using The parts washer All the old greasy Gunk and clutch dust are removed from the stuff I am going to put back into the car:
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The stuff is clean Now!
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Even though I am not re-using the Old Flywheel on this project; I am cleaning it and Sending it to the machine shop for surfacing; I will stash it away and Possibly re-use it on another project Later
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For This pressure Plate Install I will have to shim the Clutch Fork Pivot Closer to the Flywheel / Engine - If you are using a stock type Pressure Plate this step is NOT Needed.
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I removed the Old Clutch Fork Pivot and Used it to layout some bits of Steel to make the spacer.
I marked the holes and Got the general outline for the Spacers.
Also the Stock Bolts That hold the Fork Pivot will be waaay to short so I will replace those too.
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Here are some shots of the Spacers I made - I was using some left over angle Iron and Made the spacers - No they are Not Billet, nor are they pretty but they will do the job.
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All 3 spacers are done; they measure about 1/2 Inch which should be just right for this setup - I can always unbolt the fork pivot and add or subtract the spacers to get it right.
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Next are some shots will all the spacers and Clutch fork pivot installed and bolted down.. Notice the longer bolts needed for this.
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All complete and A New Throwout bearing too.. I usually Toss In a New TO Bearing if I have the tranny out and I dont want to do the job again anytime soon.
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Now Lets take a look at that 10" Ford/Mazda Pressure Plate from McLeod.

I had some trouble with the clutch hitting / binding on the bolt hole material of the Pressure Plate Hat when I did this install on the dart back in 2006 - It is much easier to cut / grind these tabs before the install raher than after.
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The Pen points to the Black line where I am going to make the cuts;
This will happen on 6 of the mounting points.
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Tools I used to do this hack:
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Bits Removed - Not Much but enough to alleviate hassles later.
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Photos of the PP after Cutting the six Little tabs off:
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Pen Points to where the cuts were made:
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Next:
Test fitting the PP / Clutch / Flywheel / Clutch rod etc..


I have to Wait for the McLeod 464001 Flywheel to come in to do this.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:52 pm 
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I ordered the McLeod 464001 Flywheel and Once that comes in I will continue with the Install.


Greg, It would sure be nice if McLeod could get the center registry right to start with. I know it is not a huge deal, but it should not need to be taken to a machine shop out of the box. It cost us $40 and 2 days of waiting to get ours done.

Maybe this one will be correct? Let us know. great write up by the way!!

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What makes the stock flywheel not a good choice for this mod?

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 Post subject: Parts Update 4-13-12
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:16 pm 
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@ Junior - Well I would not use the Stock Flywheel for 2 reasons -

#1 It's made from Powdered metal - Like cast Iron I suppose.. In a performance situation Things could fly apart and this can hurt or seriously hurt someone Not to mention damage you car quite a bit.. I have been there - Not fun.

#2 to use the Ford 10" PP the Bolt pattern for this on a slant Flywheel Has to be VERY close to the edge.. Near the ring Gear - The steel piece will do a better job with this small amount of material near the edge of the bolt holes.. and Not to mention you have to find a very competent machine shop to modify you stock PP to do this.. Could it be done .. yes I would not choose to do this.



Update... I ordered part #McLeod 464001 This time I used a local guy in town that was cutting my old flywheel - He is a McLeod Dealer - So a few weeks go by and I get the flywheel in.. I ask him to check the Center register - 'cause If it needs machined out to 2.165" (i am installing in a '68 up application) He could do this before I picked up the part.. He verified that the part had indeed come in with the '68 Up register... Great.

So I get home and notice the pP mounting patterns look funny...

It came with 2Sets of Mopar Borg& Beck PP Mounting holes drilled on it.

This certainly wont work.. Currently Waiting on a return to McLeod for a correction on this. :-( Will post updates when Info is available.

I did not have this problem 6 years ago with the part in the Dart - It was right the first time with the dual PP mounting pattern.

If you are interested in this flywheel maybe call McLeod Tech and Be sure to verify the 2 Patterns before they make yours.



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Here is the New McLeod Piece - Weighs 20#
Notice the "double" stock PP mounts..
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McLeod Piece Came in with the large Register:
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Stock Flywheel Has been Cut a few Times - Weighs In @ ~17#
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The Ford 10" PP does not line up anywhere on this McLeod Unit - It should - They screwed up:-(
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Shots of the Stock PP lining up on 2 Sets of Holes. - Dumb
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More to come when info is Available.


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