Slant Six Forum :: how much!!!!$$$$$$$

: hey i just got back from the drags yesterday,
: and i ran a 20.5 and a 20.3 in my cuda. i
: hope to get down into 16's on the engine
: then turbo charge it eventually anyways i
: have a question. What is the cheapest slant
: you can build, and what one has cost the
: most to build?

: It will cost around $2000 to properly do a 6.
: This price includes a complete rebuild of
: the base engine. This is using parts from
: <A HREF="http://www.ciffordperformance.com">http://www.ciffordperformance.com</A> . You can
: follow their stages to get an idea of what
: is involved. Others may be able to do it for
: less.
:
: The old addage "speed costs how much can
: you spend" applies to 6 as it does to
: any engine. So the maximum cost is whatever
: the market will bear.

:
: I've been hoping to eventually be able to push
: my turbocharged Dart into the 300 hp range
: with a redline around 6,000 - 6,500 RPM.
: This is likely to be in the 13 second range,
: but were the parts store rebuild motors
: running boost or naturally aspirated? Just
: wondering since I plan to do something about
: the unrebuilt 200,000 mile internals after I
: get the turbo in place. I'd been thinking
: forged pistons might be necessary for such a
: buildup; can I safely get away with an
: ordinary shortblock from AutoZone?

: I'm running an air/fuel ratio gauge to make
: sure I don't lean it out, and I could
: probably make enough power with well under
: 15 psi of boost to humiliate most cars on
: the road, and even a sizable number of those
: at the dragstrip. Sounds like it doesn't
: need exotic internals to get some serious
: power then.

: As we all know, Slants are pretty tough.
: A correctly built *stock* short block is good
: for 1 HP per cube with-out trouble,
: sometimes even more if the pistons &
: rings are of good quality.
: DD

Author:	Brent Becker [ Mon May 06, 2002 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:	how much!!!!$$$$$$$
hey i just got back from the drags yesterday, and i ran a 20.5 and a 20.3 in my cuda. i hope to get down into 16's on the engine then turbo charge it eventually anyways i have a question. What is the cheapest slant you can build, and what one has cost the most to build? Starbravo@aol.com

Author:	kesteb [ Tue May 07, 2002 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: how much!!!!$$$$$$$
(User Above) wrote: : hey i just got back from the drags yesterday, : and i ran a 20.5 and a 20.3 in my cuda. i : hope to get down into 16's on the engine : then turbo charge it eventually anyways i : have a question. What is the cheapest slant : you can build, and what one has cost the : most to build? It will cost around $2000 to properly do a 6. This price includes a complete rebuild of the base engine. This is using parts from <A HREF="http://www.ciffordperformance.com">http://www.ciffordperformance.com</A> . You can follow their stages to get an idea of what is involved. Others may be able to do it for less. The old addage "speed costs how much can you spend" applies to 6 as it does to any engine. So the maximum cost is whatever the market will bear. klesteb@aol.com

Author:	Doc. [ Tue May 07, 2002 4:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How much money to rebuild a SL6?
(User Above) wrote: : It will cost around $2000 to properly do a 6. : This price includes a complete rebuild of : the base engine. This is using parts from : <A HREF="http://www.ciffordperformance.com">http://www.ciffordperformance.com</A> . You can : follow their stages to get an idea of what : is involved. Others may be able to do it for : less. : : The old addage "speed costs how much can : you spend" applies to 6 as it does to : any engine. So the maximum cost is whatever : the market will bear. Engine rebuilding is best viewed (and priced) in two sections: 1) All the needed parts & supplies (tools, sealer, paint etc.) 2) The machine shop work. (Block & head machining as well as assembly) You have some control over the costs if you purchase parts from a good (inexpensive) source and if you do some of the assembly work yourself. (Clifford is on the expensive side) Call around and get some quotes, you will be suprised on how much prices very. Want a "quick and easy" rebuild, quote some short block assemblies from the "chain" Auto Parts stores (Auto Zone, Pep Boys, Automotive Engineering, etc.) I have bought these for Appx. $700 w/exchange core( short block that is machined, assembled with 12 month warrenty) Then I spend all my time and effort on a ported head, cam and manifold / headers. I've run into the 13's with chain store bought short block assemblies. DD

Author:	Matt Cramer [ Wed May 08, 2002 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:	How do parts store rebuilds work with boost?
I've been hoping to eventually be able to push my turbocharged Dart into the 300 hp range with a redline around 6,000 - 6,500 RPM. This is likely to be in the 13 second range, but were the parts store rebuild motors running boost or naturally aspirated? Just wondering since I plan to do something about the unrebuilt 200,000 mile internals after I get the turbo in place. I'd been thinking forged pistons might be necessary for such a buildup; can I safely get away with an ordinary shortblock from AutoZone?

Author:	andrew [ Thu May 09, 2002 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How do parts store rebuilds work with boost?
I use 60 over cast pistons in my engine. as long as you don't run it lean or run 15 or 20 lbs of boost the cast ones will work. andrew wagner (User Above) wrote: : : I've been hoping to eventually be able to push : my turbocharged Dart into the 300 hp range : with a redline around 6,000 - 6,500 RPM. : This is likely to be in the 13 second range, : but were the parts store rebuild motors : running boost or naturally aspirated? Just : wondering since I plan to do something about : the unrebuilt 200,000 mile internals after I : get the turbo in place. I'd been thinking : forged pistons might be necessary for such a : buildup; can I safely get away with an : ordinary shortblock from AutoZone?

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Author:	Matt Cramer [ Thu May 09, 2002 7:29 pm ]
Post subject:	That sounds promising.
I'm running an air/fuel ratio gauge to make sure I don't lean it out, and I could probably make enough power with well under 15 psi of boost to humiliate most cars on the road, and even a sizable number of those at the dragstrip. Sounds like it doesn't need exotic internals to get some serious power then.

Author:	Doctor Dodge (Doug Dutra) [ Thu May 09, 2002 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: That is promising...
(User Above) wrote: : I'm running an air/fuel ratio gauge to make : sure I don't lean it out, and I could : probably make enough power with well under : 15 psi of boost to humiliate most cars on : the road, and even a sizable number of those : at the dragstrip. Sounds like it doesn't : need exotic internals to get some serious : power then. As we all know, Slants are pretty tough. A correctly built stock short block is good for 1 HP per cube with-out trouble, sometimes even more if the pistons & rings are of good quality. DD

Author:	Brent Becker [ Sat May 11, 2002 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: That is promising...
(User Above) wrote: : As we all know, Slants are pretty tough. : A correctly built stock short block is good : for 1 HP per cube with-out trouble, : sometimes even more if the pistons & : rings are of good quality. : DD Hey Doc so if you wanted to make a slant work with a turbo really well what kind of internal modifications from stock would be a good investment??? Starbravo@aol.com

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