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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 am 
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Car Model*: Dodge Pioneer 1961
Greetings everyone! This is my very first post to this forum. I have been lurkin here for over a decade, but finally decided to share my very own project.
First of all, this is my first engine project with a boost factor. I have a 1961 Dodge Pioneer 2D HT, which left the factory equipped with 225 slant six engine. I have owned this car for few years now. This is not my first or last slant six car though. But the most fun yet, it has been.

So, why supercharge the slant six if you could get a lot of fun fast and easy with a big block?
I do it because it's different and way more entertaining. And it's different here, in Finland where I live. Old american cars are more popular here than ever. But Valiants, Dusters, Darts and Aspens did conquer the hearts of FIN when they were new. And those cars came mostly with a slant six. And the elder people always remember to ask me when they see the DODGE lettering: "You have a six cylinder there, leaning little to the right?"

My goal here is to just to have something differerent and a few horsepower more. I'm not a racer nor do i have a need to go fast anywhere.

I have few rules to my build:

1. It needs to look stock(ish).
2. No fuel injection, just a carb
3. Keep cost low and experiment things

I do not own any special tools, lathes or mills. I have a bad cheapo chinese bench drill though.
Some say that Eaton cannot be used as draw thru setup, but I want to do it anyway.
And the plan is to use stock internals, no forged pistons or anything like that. Just keep the boost somewhere around 5 to 7 psi.

The Car

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Here she is as the day I bought her

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The view I absolutely love

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Pretty original interior, with few rips here and there

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Engine bay looked like this. Engine had a poor mans ring job done, but was running very poorly. After a gasket kit to 1bbl Carter, it purred like a kitten. I drove the car like this for couple of summers, but then wanted to do something with it

The Power Plant

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This is my empty mockup motor, that was used to test fit all the parts I was going to fabricate. The Eaton is from 3.8 Buick and bought it from eBay at $140.

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I wanted to use stock 2bbl super intake, rather than fancy ready to bolt on supercharger intake

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So I started to make adapter between the intake and Eaton. This part involves some wood working, casting sand and some molten aluminium

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Here is the mold ready to be poured

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And the raw casting right after the pour

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Like I said earlier, no special tools available. Just my chinese bench drill

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Careful measuring was done to line up the Eaton with crank pulley. My goal was to fit everything under the hood, but soon realized that with this setup it was impossible. The pulley end of Eaton would stick out of the hood line about 3/4 inch

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Fuel delivery will be done by this 45mm FAJS side draft carburetor. It's a cheap chinese copy of Weber. All Weber parts will be usable with FAJS. Some say these are bad, but some say these are better machined than Webers.. Who knows...

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To attach the carburetor to Eaton, involves some more casting to be done. Here is a foam pattern, going to be casted using the lost foam method

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Not all goes as planned always. First pour went to ground and joined the gravel in my yard. There was too little sand under the pattern and the molten aluminium burned through the bottom of my flask

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After carving a new pattern, the second pour was a success.

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All mating surfaces were hand sanded with a papers glued to piece of stone table top. I could have sent them to a machine shop, but as mentioned earlier I try to keep the costs down. I'm a bit crazy anyway.

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Gasket to seal the Eaton to adapter was made from 1mm thick gasket material

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O-ring type seals used with the carburetor

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Crank serpentine pulley is a March Performance piece for a small block chevy. It's a perfect fit, after drilling the bolt holes just a little bit larger.

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This was the first test of belt tensioner locating. Really fast slapped together. Later, I will show you a bit better piece

So, here is a link to my youtube video of the first startup with Eaton setup. It fired up nice, without any usual hick ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzTLjJH4hTM


I have lots of stuff more to show you, if interested. The car is painted different now, hood has a mild scoop, the engine is teared down at the current moment and is at machine shop to be bored. New 2019 model Dutra Duals are waiting in the shelf and so on.

(Edit- Image resizing)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:39 am 
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Interesting project indeed, I've been following at overdrive.fi from beginning :D


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:22 am 
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Looking good, keep it coming

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:40 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:13 am 
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Welcome to the site. Impressive work and nice car. You should have no trouble with stock internals and 5-7 psi, IF you can get a good spark advance curve and tune the air-fuel ratio properly. I have a boosted turbo Slant and EFI makes it a snap to tune. I think you will stay with the carb, so my best recommendation is to get an AFR gauge and use that for tuning.

Enjoy your wonderful project!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:49 am 
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Car Model*: Dodge Pioneer 1961
Thank you guys!
So maybe I show you some more then :D

The Power Plant

When I got the engine running, I was pretty excited about it. One thing I considered a must to do, was upgrading the old points ignition to electronic. And of course, the best answer for that found right here, at the Slantsix.org.

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I did the GM HEI - conversion and ordered the 4-pin HEI-unit and Mopar wiring harness from Summit. I had an old Mopar-ignition box that was broken and scraped it clean. HEI-unit is screwed under the transistor heat sink. If only I would have known then, that there is a 5-pin version with the ability to retard the timing 5 degrees. Well maybe I do it later, if I cant get my custom modded vacuum canister to work.

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Then I bench tested the system before installing it to the car. It worked beautifully and even gave a bright blue spark with a 0.100" gap in plug.

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Here it is, sticking thru the hood. I felt no regret doing this, as the hood was pretty shot anyway. Badly rusted and so on.

The Body

I know this forum is mostly about our engines, so I try to keep this part short and do a fast forward:mrgreen:

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For the scoop, I just used a piece of sheet metal, rounded the side edges and welded it in place. I tried to make it as small as possible and think how they would have done it in the factory. Don't know if I succeeded thought. This hood has some cool factory louvers by the way.


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This is how bad the hood was.

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The gas tank was shot, so I made my own. It feeled way too expensive to ship one at the time from US.

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Tank being welded together

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The rear suspension was missing one leaf both sides and they were sagging. I dismantled them, hammered some shape to them cold with an anvil and added one leaf. Installed them with urethane bushings. There were 2" lowering blocks also. I like stock stance way better than lowered.

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Here she is primered and ready for block sanding

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Shot the body in my garage with Chrysler W1, white. Photo taken last autumn. I had a weekend time to drive and test the combo before removing the engine and starting to clean up the engine compartment

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For the scoop, I'm planning to make some kind of trim, sand casting from aluminium and polishing it up. Here is one of my pattern ideas.

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Engine compartment after removing the engine. Photo taken somewhere around September 2019

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And here it is as today. All parts were dismantled and new bushings were installed. Frame and inner fenders all painted with POR-15.

To be continued...


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:42 am 
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Car Model*: Dodge Pioneer 1961
The Current state of the Power Plant

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Before tearing the engine to pieces, I re-designed the bracket for belt tensioner. Tensioner here is from Dodge Caliber, and is a bit better looking than the first french model in my test combo. The new bracket also takes some of the weight off from intake studs.


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After disassembly I first thouht that a ring job would be enough. But the No5 cylinder had a deep horizontal scratch. Also the No5 piston was different from other pistons.

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Bearings were shot...

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... and crank journals were grooved.

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Camshaft was a bit worn, but the lifters were like cups.

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The head didn't look that bad. No1 cylinder obviously was running rich or had a leak from rings or valve stem. But I'm not going to be using this head anyway. I've got a later style head from a friend that has a valve job and resurfacing done few years back in a machine shop. It was installed to a motor but driven less than a 1000 miles due to a bad blow by.

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At the very moment block, crank and rods are at the machine shop. I got the new pistons few days back and delivered them to the shop. Block will be bored 0.030" over and all crank journals needs to be ground 0.010" undersize. Parts used for this build are stock Sealed Power parts, no nice performance stuff. I'm a bit concerned about the timing gears, especially the one for the camshaft. I've heard that these with tree large oval holes are the weak link, and could be broken at high RPM:s. But I'm not planning to do a high revving engine and planning to use it as it was first designed.

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I dissassembled the Eaton and stripped the coating from the rotors.

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Did some very mild porting job to the outlet. Mostly just rounding the sharp edges.

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Here is some polishing started to the inlet side of the sc.

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Also did a bit porting here. I removed the bridge between intake holes.

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Rare parts, that I actually had to buy. But they are so COOL. The new style Dutra's from Aussiespeed. I like the way how those outlets are facing. To the back at front manifold and to front at back manifold.

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Some extra gauges I'm planning to use with the car. Included is the AFR-gauge to help tuning and avoiding the thing go lean.


-Markus


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:07 am 
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Very cool! You guys from Europe amaze me with your projects and craftsmanship! Add the distance from easy parts sources and difficulty in getting help with things we here in the states take for granted make your efforts all the more impressive. Thanks for sharing your progress.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:16 pm 
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Yes great work! I like to see you do things yourself that no one else is doing, and make it look easy! :D :D Lots of good info! Keep the pics coming!! :D :D

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:42 am 
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Hey from Arkansas. I just bought this 1 family owned '61 Seneca. /6, 3 onda tree. Luv your 2dr. I'm sorting out all the issues of mine since its been sitting since 1981. I found the original window sticker and build sheet to this car. Keep up the good work. Most of the guys on this forum don't drive these early model /6 cars.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:10 pm 
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I wish some of you euro guys would relocate here and show these Yankees some creativity.

Thanks for sharing!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:58 am 
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Thanks for the compliments!

oldwood wrote:
Hey from Arkansas. I just bought this 1 family owned '61 Seneca. /6, 3 onda tree. Luv your 2dr. I'm sorting out all the issues of mine since its been sitting since 1981. I found the original window sticker and build sheet to this car. Keep up the good work. Most of the guys on this forum don't drive these early model /6 cars.

Nice pick! These are cool cars and gives a very comfort ride.


As my block and crank are in the machine shop right now, I'm a bit distracted about the project. The machine shop was booked out and busy for few weeks and they promised me the engine back somewhere around April. But the rising of this new virus may put a hold on some things.
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But today, I quarantined myself to the garage and had a tiny little progress forward. Supercharger is put together again, with new rear bearings.
Bought the rear bearings from eBay and they were advertised as "Double Sealed". Description said: "It is a better choice if alternative fuels like Methanol injection are being used because the purpose of the double seal design is to keep liquids out of needle bearings."
However, I did not notice any difference between the old and new bearing. Although, my eyesight ain't what it used to be.

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I drilled and tapped a new hole to the intake manifold for a fitting. Above this hole, there is internal stock PCV- valve in the supercharger. Just going to run a hose from the fitting to valve cover.

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Also put some paint for few parts. Chrysler Turquoise from POR-15. Trying to aim for OE look under the hood.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:20 am 
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Wow! You are talented


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:05 pm 
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The OP has an abundance of spunk as I see it.

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