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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 4:41 pm 
(User Above) wrote:
: A tougher one is this ( took up lots of
: bandwidth on DRR) If two cars run each other
: and Car one dials a 8.70 and car two dials
: an 8.69. Car one cuts a .499 red light and
: car two cuts a .497 red who loses under the
: current rules? Who leaves the tree first?


OK Tom, I will give this question a shot. . .

I would say that to an on-looker, both cars leave the "tree" (starting line) at the same time but "on paper" car # 1 leaves .008 sooner.
Car # 2 is the looser because he redlighted by more.

Anyone else care to take a shot at this one??
DD


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:47 pm 
I will, I saw this happen to a buddy of mine at RT66. He was dialed .01 slower than the other guy. (11.74 to 11.73) Lee (my friend)went .496 red and the other guy went .476 red. (.02 worse on an .01 difference in dial) The other guy got the win light even though he visibly went red first. We inquired of the race director and he said the computer will automatically give the win to the car with the faster dial. Not very fair is it?


slantzilla@excite.com


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 9:15 pm 
(User Above) wrote:
: I will, I saw this happen to a buddy of mine at
: RT66. He was dialed .01 slower than the
: other guy. (11.74 to 11.73) Lee (my
: friend)went .496 red and the other guy went
: .476 red. (.02 worse on an .01 difference in
: dial) The other guy got the win light even
: though he visibly went red first. We
: inquired of the race director and he said
: the computer will automatically give the win
: to the car with the faster dial. Not very
: fair is it?


So, if both cars go red, the faster dial-in gets the win ?!?

That tells me that if you have a real close match-up, try to be the faster car. I tend to do that anyway, less starting line "surprises" seeing the other guys count down starts first. (yours will not be far behind!)
DD


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 5:15 am 
The program that controls the tree looks at which side of the tree is activated first. In my senario above the faster car leaves the line a .001 ahead of the slower car but it would not matter if the faster car leaves the line .2 ahead, the slower car will always receive the red light. This is a case of the worst redlight winning...is this fair? Just because it always been like this is not a reason to leave it this way. IMHO it is a rule that needs a little tweaking.
It is a simple program change, and the tree would display green lights until both cars had left the line then the worst red light would be shown and the other lane would be given the win.
Another side of this argument is in all of the top classes TF, FC, PS...etc any headsup class the worst redlight loses because they are leaving at the same time. Why is bracket racing different?

Tom

ke4dgi@aol.com


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:38 am 
(User Above) wrote:
: The program that controls the tree looks at
: which side of the tree is activated first.
: In my senario above the faster car leaves
: the line a .001 ahead of the slower car but
: it would not matter if the faster car leaves
: the line .2 ahead, the slower car will
: always receive the red light. This is a case
: of the worst redlight winning...is this
: fair? Just because it always been like this
: is not a reason to leave it this way. IMHO
: it is a rule that needs a little tweaking.
: It is a simple program change, and the tree
: would display green lights until both cars
: had left the line then the worst red light
: would be shown and the other lane would be
: given the win.
: Another side of this argument is in all of the
: top classes TF, FC, PS...etc any headsup
: class the worst redlight loses because they
: are leaving at the same time. Why is bracket
: racing different?
: Tom


Now I see, it really has nothing to do with the dial-in but who leaves first in a double redlight start.

So is this a correct statement?:

In a handycap start bracket race, where there is a double redlight, the car that redlights first will get the win.

What if this is a handycap (dial-in) race but both cars dial the *same time*. Will the tree / computer program still act the same?
( or will it "act" like an Index Race?)

Thanks for "running" us through this stuff Tom !
DD


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:17 am 
(User Above) wrote:
: Now I see, it really has nothing to do with the
: dial-in but who leaves first in a double
: redlight start.
:
: So is this a correct statement?: In a handycap
: start bracket race, where there is a double
: redlight, the car that redlights first will
: get the win.

*** The car that redlights first always loses! It does not matter what the relights are.***
:
: What if this is a handycap (dial-in) race but
: both cars dial the *same time*. Will the
: tree / computer program still act the same?
: ( or will it "act" like an Index
: Race?)
*****If both cars are dialed the same it acts just like TF,FC,PS. The first(worst) redlight loses.
:
: Thanks for "running" us through this
: stuff Tom !
: DD
This is what happens when you have this happen two weeks in a row. .498 to his .476 and .499 to his .482. I lost both times! Just remember there is always a slower car in a bracket race and sooner or later it will be you.

Tom


ke4dgi@aol.com


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 12:42 pm 
(User Above) wrote:
: *** The car that redlights first always loses!
: It does not matter how bad the redlights are.
:
: ****If both cars are dialed the same it acts
: just like TF,FC,PS. The first( is the worst)
: redlight in this case and loses.
:
: This is what happens when you have this happen
: to you 2 weeks in a row. .498 to his .476 and
: .499 to his .482. I lost both times! Just
: remember there is always a slower car in a
: bracket race and sooner or later it will be
: you.
: Tom


A Slant Six car is *usually* the slow car so I really want to understand how this works.

The "first car to redlight loses" rule does not seem to support what dschumers saw at 66 a while back.
Did I miss / not understand something??
DD


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:16 pm 
(User Above) wrote:
: A Slant Six car is *usually* the slow car so I
: really want to understand how this works.
:
: The "first car to redlight loses"
: rule does not seem to support what dschumers
: saw at 66 a while back.
: Did I miss / not understand something??
: DD

That is correct. The only way the first car to redlight loses is if he is the slower car. If both cars redlight it does not matter who leaves the tree first the slow car always get the red.
Try it sometime at a test and tune with a friend. One of you dial a 8.70 and one dial an 8.69. The one dialed 8.69 leave on the first yellow light and the one dialed 8.70 leave on the second yellow and see who loses. As of right now there is not a timing system on the market that will not redlight the slower car even though the faster one will have the worse redlight. Remember to wait until the tree starts down.

I will send you the list of infraction tomorrow morning when I get to work.

Tom

ke4dgi@aol.com


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