I'm looking for a picture (not the one in the Shop Manual...) of a 1975 A-833OD Husrt 4 speed shifter in the "Neutral position"...

i'm having a problem getting my shift rods on the shifter correctly, and the 1976 manual is not exactly the greatest diagram wise...

Anybody have time to jackt their car up and take a pick of the rods and shifter in "N"?

thanks for your help...almost there....

-D.Idiot

You shouldn't need a picture. There is a hole (about 3/16") in the side of the mechanism. You put a pin through it to lock the levers into the correct neutral position. With the tranny levers in neutral you just spin the adjusters until it slips together.

Dave Clement

Hot-Rod 6
dave.clement@motorola.com

If Dave's post was not a help you are welcome to drive to beavercreek (just south of Oregon City)and look at the one I have in the garage.

Steve
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Sadly this is where it gets confusing, my mechanism has the 3/16" notch at the bottom of the hurst shifter, but I can put my alignment tool though there in two positions: 1) with all the "fingers" lined up in a bunch, or 2) splayed so one is forward, one in middle, and one in back...

Maybe I should ask is neutral together or splayed?

Linkage should be a snap if I can just get the position correct...

thanks guys,

-D.Idiot

The levers on the shifter are together and pretty much centered in the housing. The 3/16 pin makes sure they are in the correct postion so the shifter in the car can move across the H pattern cleanly. Also, make sure the reverse lever on the tranny is in neutral. It is not as apprent as to the position since it only has two. The lever should be pointing up and forward (counter clockwise).

Another thing is if you have an OD tranny the 3/4 lever (furtherest forward) on the tranny points in the opposite direction than the 1/2 (one up one down). A standard 4spd they both point in the same. I do not recall which way though but if you have a service manual picture of a standard 4spd then you can figure it out.

Dave Clement

Hot-Rod 6
dave.clement@motorola.com

I hate to throw more confusion into this, but I have run into a couple situations on early A body 4 spd applications where the pin trick would not work. This happened over 15 years ago, so please bear with me, but I vaguely remember that only two of the levers would line up properly. If I had to guess, I believe the forward gears shifter levers lined up, but the reverse didn't. I just used trial and error, to adjust the third rod to allow for clean shifts. I then used jam nuts on the treaded rods to lock-in the adjustment. I am not sure why the pin trick doesn't work with all three levers, maybe it has to do with the fact the reverse shifter lever and rod snake around the rear cross member.
I don't know(or can't remember) anything specifically about the OD tranny shift linkage.

fglmopar@aol.com

Thanks guys,
That helped out, I should find out when I get back to it on Sunday...

Really appreciate the help, and clarifying things



-D.Idiot

I do not know what the explanation is for your situation but! In order for the shifter to work, up inside the mechanism the levers have a hole/slot through them that as the shifter handle is moved left an right it picks up a lever so when you move the handle forward and back it moves the proper rod. If these holes are not lined up correctly then the lever will either not cross over or will hang up. That is the reason that they put the alignment hole thru the shifter, to make sure internally everthing is lined up. On the exterior of the mechanism where the rods attach the shape can be what ever it needs to be for the application but it should be obvious about alignment as the levers enter the mechanism.

If you have factory style shift rods there is no need for a jam nut. One end is formed into the rod. The other end is part of the adjustment nut. Once it is sliped through the lever and clipped into place it can't turn anymore. Again the factory style (and quality aftermarket) rods I have seen have a fairly close tolerance fine thread that has so little play in it that the jam nut would not even buy you anything there either.

Hot-Rod 6
dave.clement@motorola.com

So when I put the OD in the charger from you are you going to come down and install the rods?:)

TJSzubart@Excite.com

Hey, take it easy. You sound a little defensive.
Yes, these are factory(OEM) Hurst/Chrysler shifters and related hardware.
Yes, you need to line up the pin in the shifter for the forward gears.
But the pin lining up with the reverse lever has little or nothing to do with shift changes for the forward gears. The only instance where it would make a difference is in the extreme situation of such a severe maladjustment that reverse gear can be engaged while trying to shift into a forward gear. I am not sure that is even possible, but then again, I wouldn't bet against it.
I still maintain that on my '64 Dart 4spd and on my '66 'Cuda 4spd that lining up the pin with ALL THREE shifter levers did not work. Smooth gear changes were not possible until I adjusted the reverse rod separately, without regard to the pin hole.
There are two reasons for the jam nuts.
First, the threaded nuts on the ends of the shift rods are a rather loose fit, and I didn't want the force of hard gear changes working the threads and wearing them out any more than they already were. By using a jam nut on each side of the adjusting nut, I believe it 'solidifies' the connection and transfers the load on the female threads to two easily replaceable pieces(the jam nuts) that are a much tighter fit.
Second, I wanted to 'lock in' the adjustment, so if I have to disconnect the levers, I don't lose the adjustment and have to start over.

fglmopar@aol.com

Actually, the OD you're getting already has the rods adkusted and still hooked up to the hurst shifter.

-D.Idiot

I concur, since I just installed my '64 vintage 4 speed and '64 OEM Hurst shifter into my '65 Dart. The alginment pin will only go thru the first two levers. On this particular shifter the reverse lever is not aligned with the 1-2 and 3-4 levers. And I can easily shift into reverse.

On the otherhand I distinclty remember that all the levers aligned on a Hurst Competion Plus. And I was surprised when the OEM one did not.



klesteb@aol.com

Mystery solved. Thanks, kesteb.



fglmopar@aol.com