Your on. This summer we can do any type of braking test you wish, wet or dry.

Your gonna have to figure my 72 Dart maybe heavier. Dont really know.

If you Kids, would reseach this you would be eating crow. Call CH Topping and ask them why dont you.


BTW I guess you missed the sarcasm of my post.

Maybe I know more than you. Have been around the planet longer and have forgoten things you have yet to learn.

Id call not wanting to look into it ignorant.

I guess you cant except others may know more than you, and just becuase you dont like something, doesnt make it so.

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Cross-Drilled rotors tend to crack around the holes because the metal used was never designed to have someone slice through it with a drill.

Same with drums.

(I can understand the logic behind porting drums, but the metallurgy involved means the risks outweigh the benifits on Street cars.)

Race cars often have drilled rotors to get rid off the gases that outflow from the pads when applied, especially new pads.
RACE CARS ussually get new pads before each race, and new rotors on a very regular cycle.

Cross drilling STOCK rotors has less benifit then taking some tin sheet and fabbing up a cool air duct does.

Ever notice that the inner surface of the disc has an air gap, rather than being solid all the way to the hub? That's to let cool air in to the rotor, to pass through the ventilation gap and out from the outer edge of the disc, taking heat from the rotor with it.
Feeding cool air from a duct in to the air gap in the rotor, A'La Nascar brake ducts, has much more effect on street cars than drilling any rotor will.

Hey, it works on a Nascar, and it's simple to do,...

Now as for useing the Benz rotors, which are designed from the get-go with the holes, that's a whole different matter.

(couldn't resist the pun,..)


PiD v4.0

The weather will dictate the road conditions, but dry will make it a bit easier to punish the brakes and produce a winner.

My Valiant weighs about 2960 lbs with these awful, heavy disc brakes. We can put an observer in my car if your Dart is that overweight.
Nope, it came through just fine.
When it comes to the issue at hand, brakes, I really, really doubt it.
I've cited my sources and you chose to ignore them. I'd call it stubbornness on your part.
Do you mean to write that I can't accept the fact that you may be correct and I am in error because of my personal feelings? Assuming that is what you mean I am perfectly willing to prove you wrong publicly. No whining when you loose now.

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Joshua

Oh, I get it! Eric Von Zipper's right, and the whole, entire rest of the world is wrong. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

Well Eric.... Im older and more experienced than you are(because I said so) ...so you are wrong.....that should settle it on your terms.

You do win the most stubborn/wrong headed award however.


Josh is gonna kill you in this contest.....and Annette will chose Fabian over you again.

I am pissed that you would diseminate such incorrect info on our board....

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

That's if Eric's butchered brakes don't kill him first.
And the forces of goodness and light will triumph over the forces of rottenness and evil long after Eric's "improved" brake rotors have returned to the earth as little piles of red iron oxide dust.
Me too, but at this point it's kind of fascinating (in the trainwreck sense) to see just how far Eric'll go with his "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" temper tantrum. Spazzed-out six-year-olds everywhere could learn from the man. Grownups who drive cars, on the other hand...not so much!

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

WOOF WOOF WOOF,..

BARK< BARK< BARK<


(Translation of the above arguments senitments in meaning terms,...)


This is getting to the point where one can understand why dueling was such a popular sport - it culled out those who felt the need for pissing contests outside the urinal!

PiD v4.0

Exactly!......

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still............................................

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Official Cookie and Mater Tormentor.

Dan put up OR shut up.

http://www.chtopping.com/CustomRod4/

To all you know it alls.

Here is the proof that this has been done SAFELY for more years than any of you have been around.

Now lets see your proof that this does not work.

There are several more articles posted on that site.

http://www.chtopping.com/Home/index.html

Dan if this was guess work and I was trying this out for the first time. Yes I could see your point.

But Ive been doing this for years. Its tried and true.

But the guy above me is right, you are not man enough to admit you are wrong. So this is useless.

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Eric,

You seem to be missing something with these articles. A "before and after" test where they actually measured stopping distances would constitute proof. An article that reports "Vince says they work" does not constitute proof.

Is there a single article on that website where they measured the stopping distances with and without the holes drilled in the drums?

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"Mad Scientist" Matt Cramer
'66 Dart - turbocharged 225
My blog - Mad Scientist Matt's Lair

Oh, believe me, Eric, we're all doing our best to put up with...

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

Hotdog, something constructive.

That is an advertisement page for the guy that does it. The part on top where it sez its been done for 50 years, it what I was getting at.

My posts are not to say if its any better or not. Have less unsprung wieght is always what racers strive for. I know they stop better because Ive been doing it for years. Better or not is an opinion. That has to be proven.

The point here is that it is done, and has been done safely for 50 years.
This guy happens to do it for a business, and Id call him up and ask not only about improvements, why he would take a chance selling these if the risk of injury was so bad.

I could not buy hyme (s?) joints, aircraft grade for my 30 coupe, because the guy said they cant be leible for damages if I use them on a car.

Yet this guy has a business machining drums. He must know something about what he is doing. Or he would have been sued out of business long ago.

Read the posts here that say how dangerous my car is, these are not true statements. Form folks that have never seen or tried this. The world is flat bunch.

With a slant-6 in my Dart, I could care less about unsrpung weight, I'm not racing. I just want better brakes than stock. I have those, with out having to convert to discs.

No comparsions done on the web that I know of. All I can offer is the theory behind porting.

With the holes there, the dust, water and air that slow the shoes down from making contact and causing fade, is removed. ( blown out thru the holes) Thus the shoes contact quicker and you get faster brakes.

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The trouble is, you haven't merely been arguing these won't kill you. You've also been arguing that they are superior to non-drilled brakes, and at one point you were even arguing that it made more sense than a disc swap. It's up to you to prove that drilled drums will stop better than undrilled ones, or better than discs. Never mind theory, I'd like to see proof.

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"Mad Scientist" Matt Cramer
'66 Dart - turbocharged 225
My blog - Mad Scientist Matt's Lair

There's the rub. Perhpas we've become a bit calloused but there have been so many gimmicks come along, hyped as God's gift to autodom, that when fairly evaluated are little more than snake oil. Throttle body spacers come to mind as an example. In this forum you can expect to be challenged and you shouldn't take it personally as some have. If you make a claim about some product or process you need to be prepared to back it up with before and after results at a minimum.Anecdotal or hearsay evidence won't cut it. If something is truly better then it should be provable by real world testing and measurement. If such testing has been done then the results should be available for inspection.

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David Kight
'62 Valiant Signet, White
'98 Dodge Dakota
'06 Jeep Liberty

Growing older is unavoidable but growing up is strictly optional.