Hey Mr. OF,
Can see that. Don't remember where, but sometime back, came across a Nut that looked kind of strange. Think it was somewhere in Lorrie's Brake System. It was a kind of "acorn" shaped Nut that looked like it had been "squashed" on the acorn part. Was really hard to turn. At the time, it got questioned as to whether it was supposed to be that way or if it was "damaged". Turned out that it was supposed to be that way. Is THAT what is called a Clinch Nut?

So with a rainy day, it can be spent taking care of all the other stuff that has been being neglected around here. OR it could be spent resting. OR stuff that can be done from INSIDE Lorrie can be done because I'd be in out of the rain. Decisions, decisions!

Thanks for responding. Hope you are well.

JC

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The inner diameter has a bevel on one side. But you're right, they're not cupped. The one and only truly cupped washer is the steel one at top centre.

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You can see pictures of nuts the same shape as the factory end nuts HERE in the first couple of pictures.

The originals are steel. I made a set out of brass as an experiment but hasn't run long enough to see how it's going to turn out. Pay no attention tapered washers with the nuts - another experiment I ended up not using.

Danny

Hey Daniel,
Am looking at the Brass End Washers. If there's any kind of "bevel" on these, it is EVER so slight! How MUCH of a bevel should it have?
Right. They are definitely "cupped". There are three of them here. BUT, there are also enough Triangular Washers to go on ALL except the Two End Studs. Lorrie is going to have Triangular Washers on the two bottom center Studs.

Went out this morning, and inspected the offending Stud. There is absolutely no burrs or sharp places on it. Threaded the Steel Nut that holds the top center Cupped Washer on the Stud onto the offending Stud. It went right on.

Then threaded one of the other Brass Nuts onto the offending Stud, and it went right on.

Am NOW almost ready to conclude that the problem was that the two Brass Nuts that wouldn't tighten were "cross-threaded", though they presented no resistance. They were turned by hand using a Screwdriver with a 1/2" Socket on it, and when they came so snug so as not to be able to be turned with the Screwdriver, they were then started to be torqued to 5 ft/lbs. And they both stripped out before the Torque Wrench clicked even once.

Anyway, have enough Brass Nuts to redo the installation. Am going to give it another try. Hopefully this time, it will all go as planned.

Will let you know what transpires.

JC

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Hey Danny,
Lorrie doesn't have ANYTHING like those Washers and Nuts.
Time will tell.
Danny, you do nice work!

Anyway, Lorrie is back to where we were when my neighbor Robert came to help me put the Manifold back onto the Cylinder Head Studs. Am waiting for him to get here and we'll do it all again.

Have everything ready. The Gasket is on the Studs, the Neva-Seez is on the Studs, the bottom Triangular Washers have been "lollipopped", and everything is clean and organized.

Am just taking a break while awaiting Robert.

Thanks for the link to the JPGs.

JC

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Yep thats a Clinch Nut...

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Hey Mr. OF,
There's an OLD Buddhist saying: "The beginning of wisdom is learning to call things by their proper names!"

It's hard to know what one is talking about when there are doohickies, thingamabobs, and whatchmacallits!

Thanks for the bit of "wisdom".

JC

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GPRS email reciept to me had this note:

"Currently we're dealing with 2 cancer patients 1 whom is terminal, as such there may be a delay in receiving your order we'll try to email you should this happen but we may not even be here with trips to specialists etc we apologize for any inconvenience in advance & hope you understand the situation. "

Danny

No disrespect intended, but:

1. That is what they were saying in 2009, and

2. There have been other problems with GPRS, too. Repeated assurances they'd sent a part that never arrived, followed by multiple repeats of must-have-got-lost-in-the-mail, we'll-send-another-one types of exchanges, followed by giving up because the 2nd and 3rd and 4th sendouts never arrived either. I have a hard time thinking that's due to family members' health conditions.

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Hey All,
Tuesday Afternoon Update:

Must have been really tired because after doing the weekly errands this morning, and having some lunch, I fell asleep at about 11:30 a.m. and didn't awaken till just before 3:00 p.m.

Got up and got all ready to install the Washers and Brass Nuts on Lorrie's Intake/Exhaust Manifolds. It only took about an hour total.

All the Washers and Nuts are snug on the Cylinder Head Studs!

None of them are cross-threaded.

They are NOT torqued down because I am beginning to feel like Pharaoh with the Seven Plagues. Here's why:

Had about half of the Washers and Brass Nuts installed, when all-of-a-sudden, Lorrie and I were invaded by a swarm of May Flies.

May Flies are little flying insects that usually swarm in May, but Spring came early this year, and so the May Flies swarmed in April.

They get onto everything.

They don't bite, but they get on one's skin and crawl around which is very distracting.

A swarm of them is comprised of literally MILLIONS of them, and there are literally MILLIONS of swarms.

Cars out on the road will hit a swarm of them and it clogs up the Radiator and messes up the windshields and headlights..

So, am going to wait till the May Flies are gone (that'll be over night) and then will Torque the Nuts down in the morning when more rested.

All that is left to do today is to clean up the tools, materials, and retire for the day.

Will keep you all informed of progress whenever it happens.

JC

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A farmer gets pulled over by a state trooper for speeding, and the trooper starts to lecture the farmer about his speed and grows louder and more sanctimonious, throwing his weight around to make the farmer uncomfortable.

Finally, the trooper gets around to writing the ticket, and as he's doing so he keeps having to swat at some flies buzzing around his head. The farmer says, "Having some problems with circle flies there, are ya?" The trooper stops writing the ticket and says, "Well yeah, if that's what they're called. I never heard of circle flies."

So the farmer says, "Well, circle flies are common on farms. See, they're called circle flies because they're almost always found circling around the back end of a horse."

The trooper says, "Oh," and goes back to writing the ticket. Then after a minute he stops and says, "Hey, wait a minute! Are you calling me a horse's rear end?" The farmer says, "Oh no, officer. I have too much respect for law enforcement to even think about calling you such a name." The trooper says, "Alright, then," and goes back to writing the ticket.

After a long pause, the farmer says, "Hard to fool them flies, though."

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JC, Sounds like you are making progress. I'm not sure if anyone answered already but the two thick brass washers for the end do only have a slight bevel in them.

With the right nut they probably don't need a bevel at all but clean them good and inspect them close. Make sure you have the correct side facing out if it does have a bevel and you use the beveled nuts.

It seems trivial sometimes but you have to sit and think a lot about why they did some things. The nuts hold the washer still while the manifold is moving. The manifold can move about 3/16" every time it is heated and cooled at that last nut is why it's so much more complicated and beefy. The end nuts are the ones that still usually leak/blow the gasket first in my short experience.

My original gasket was stretched 1/4" and torn at #4 or #5 but it was leaking at #1 along with being broken in half. The manifold was miss-matched about 1/8" where it mounts to the head. Some mechanic near Neillsville Wisconsin didn't even attempt to get it all flat. Doubt he knew he should. I hope he runs across this. I'd like to give him a big thumbs up.

Being stretched 1/4" gives you an idea how much they can move and one big reason to make sure everything is right.


Danny

Hey Daniel,
Cute! The little bastages are EVERYWHERE! The ground is just covered with them. They don't live very long. But yesterday they were circling around ME. It's hard to fool them little flies!

Anyway, are you ready to hear about the slow motion train wreck that's going on here? Well, here it comes, ready or not.

When we last left Lorrie Van Haul last evening, her Intake/Exhaust Manifold Gasket and Manifolds were on the Cylinder Head Studs.

The one Cupped Washer and Steel Nut , the eleven Triangular Washers and Brass Nuts, and the two big Brass Washers and Brass Nuts were all snugged up, waiting to be torqued down.

Went out this morning to do the deed.

Got ALL the Nuts torqued to 5 ft/lbs starting at the center and working to each end. And everything was fine.

Went back to torque them all to 8 ft/lbs.

Got the two bottom center Brass Nuts, and the top Steel Nut, the top Brass Nut to the rear of the center, the top Brass Nut to the front of the center, the bottom Brass Nut to the rear of the center all torqued to 8 ft/lbs. And everything was fine.

Started torquing the bottom Brass Nut to the front of the center, and it never made it to 8 ft/lbs before it let go! Then it would no longer tighten.

Well, NOT TO WORRY!

Removed the rearmost Brass Nut from the Stud that has the big Brass Washer on it, and planned on putting it on the bottom Stud ahead of the center and to secure the big Brass Washer, with a Steel Nut till another Brass Nut could be obtained.

Threaded the Steel Nut onto the rear most Stud, and it started to get really hard to turn, so rather than force it, decided to take it off.

BUT, instead of the Steel Nut coming off the Stud, the Stud decided to come out of the Cylinder Head!

So the Steel Nut and Stud were taken out and the Stud held with a pair of Vise Grips on the un-threaded portion of the Stud so an not to booger up the threads, and the Steel Nut was removed.

The Stud was then once again installed with a sealant into the Cylinder Head and a thinner Brass Nut was put on and torqued to 5 ft/lbs, and everything is once again going along.

Got ready to install the Brass Nut that WAS on the rearmost Stud, and it had disappeared into thin air!

Completely cleaned up the entire area looking for it, all to no avail.

So rather than let THAT stop the process, took the Brass Nut off of the top Stud just ahead of the rearmost Stud to go onto the bottom Stud just ahead of the center (the Stud on which the Brass Nut had stripped).

Got ready to put THAT Brass Nut on the bottom Stud ahead of the center, but there is apparently the brass spiral shaving from the Brass Nut that had stripped wrapped around the Stud, and the Brass Nut will not go on.

So unscrewed the Brass Nut, and as soon as it was off the Stud, it DISAPPEARED!

Now, there is a towel under the Manifolds to catch any parts (Washers and Nuts) that might fall. So the Brass Nut is there somewhere.

BUT, just at that VERY moment, the Sun peeked over the roof of the house and onto the work area, and now anything that is not in the direct sunlight is by contrast just totally BLACK, and totally UN-SEEABLE.

So once again, we are dead in the water for a couple of hours while the Sun gets up high enough to put the work area back into the shade of the trees.

Am probably going to have to take EVERYTHING loose again to clean off the Brass Spiral that wrapped around the bottom Stud just ahead of the center.

Am not understanding WHY these Brass Nuts are stripping out under such low torque loads. This one that stripped this morning was NOT cross- threaded. It just was too weak to withstand being torqued to 8 ft/lbs.

Am just taking a break while the Sun gets off of the work area. Then will have to go find the Brass Nut that disappeared, and see what it is going to have to be done to get the Brass Spiral off of the bottom Stud to the front of center.

May be able to remove the Brass Spiral by putting a strip of cloth down around the stud and pulling it up which would possibly unwind the Brass Spiral.

If THAT doesn't work, will have to once again remove the Manifolds, clean the Stud, and then redo the whole thing again for the THIRD time.

Anyway you guys, isn't this FUN?

JC

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Hey All,
Thursday Morning Update:

Went on an excursion to Livingston to obtain thirteen, 5/16", 1/2" Wrench Size, 3/8" thick, Fine-Thread, Brass Nuts.

NAPA had six, 5/16" 1/2" Wrench Size, 1/4" thick, Coarse Thread, Brass Nuts, @ $.69 each.

O'Reilly's had NOTHING.

Lowe's had NOTHING.

AutoZone had seven 5/16" 1/2" Wrench Size, 1/4" thick, Fine Thread. Brass Nuts, @ $2.49 each!

Tractor Supply had NOTHING.

The LawnMower Shop had NOTHING.

There are not ANY of what Lorrie needs anywhere in this area.

Have returned home empty handed!

Am going to now go out and see if the OLD Brass Nuts can be torqued down.

Have written an E-Mail to my friend Danny at the Crane Factory in Houston ('twas he who got the Bolt that went into the Nose of Lorrie's Crank Shaft), to see if any of HIS suppliers can fill this order. BUT he may be on vacation.

Anyway, the two-week-long, slow-motion, train wreck that is the Lorrie Van Haul Manifold Gasket Replacement Caper continues unabated.

Will keep you updated.

JC

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