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 Post subject: Re: If you go...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:31 am 
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Location: Onalaska, Texas
Car Model: 1967 Dodge P200 Post Office Vehicle
Hey All,
Tuesday Morning Update:

Ordered Lorrie's Electronic Voltage Regulator yesterday. It is one of the FBO VR-1s. Talked with Don Gould at FBO. Very nice fellow. Very helpful. Says it takes no modification to the Electrical Circuitry. They cost $29.00 per unit, plus $8.00 shipping by FedEx.

The NEW VR-1 should be here NEXT Monday.

FBO also makes a digital Electronic Control Module which replaces the NAPA Echlin PT45 Control Module. They claim that the Mopar Electronic Distributor MAY have a bit of a problem triggering a GM style Control Module. So far, Lorrie's Mopar Distributor has not encountered THAT problem. We will just have to wait and see. Time will tell. If the PT45 does indeed eventually have a problem triggering, will try the FBO Control Module as a "fix".

Also, the fact that there is a closed circuit between the "Field" Terminal and the Case of both of Lorrie's Alternators doesn't indicate a problem. It would only be a problem is there was no resistance in THAT circuit. Tested the single Field Terminal Alternator, and got over 3 Ohms of resistance between the Field Terminal and the Case.

Will keep you all updated.

JC

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 Post subject: Re: If you go...
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:28 am 
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Location: Onalaska, Texas
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Hey All,
Sunday Morning Update:

FedEx is saying that the FBO Brand VR-1 Electronic Voltage Regulator is supposed to be here Tuesday, March 5, 2013, but it may be here tomorrow (Monday, March 4, 2013) as the tracking says it is in Hutchins, Texas which is near Dallas. At first FedEx said it would be here on Friday, March 1, 2013, but apparently the blizzard that hit the middle of the country caused a back-up of deliveries.

None-the-less, Lorrie has had her single Field Connection Alternator installed in place of the dual Field Connection Alternator, the NEW NAPA Echlin PT45 Electronic Control Unit attached to the HEI System Assembly installed, and her NEW NAPA Legend 75 Battery, put back in, and connected. She is all set to have her NEW Electronic Voltage Regulator installed and see if she will start.

Hope that all you guys are doing as well as can be expected, and are hanging in there.

Take Care.

JC

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:48 am 
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Why not just give it a run as is? You don't need a reg just to start it up and see how it runs?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:26 am 
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Why not just give it a run as is? You don't need a reg just to start it up and see how it runs?
Hey Mr. SS,
Wouldn't the NAPA Echlin PT45 Control Unit see the full voltage of the Alternator without the Voltage Regulator?

Am not going to take the chance. Have waited a week on the arrival of the FBO Brand VR-1 Electronic Voltage Regulator. Can wait one more day just to be on the safe side.

JC.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:39 am 
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Your alt should have nothing connected to the field terminal, therefore no field excitation means no alt output, just bat voltage and that includes the bat term on the alt. J would have thought it was a safer bet, get it running, know what you have and then all your concentrating on is system voltage when you install the reg.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:19 am 
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Your alt should have nothing connected to the field terminal,
Hey Steve,
The Alternator has the Field Wire hooked to it, but the other end is just dangling.
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therefore no field excitation means no alt output,
Yes.
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just bat voltage and that includes the bat term on the alt.
The Batt Terminal (what Daniel calls "B+ Terminal") is connected, but the other end is just dangling.
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J would have thought it was a safer bet, get it running, know what you have and then all your concentrating on is system voltage when you install the reg.
Well, just checked with FedEx Tracking and they say that the FBO Systems VR-1 Electronic Voltage Regulators are "On the Truck - Out for Delivery". So will install one of them this evening (depending on when they get here), and maybe have Lorrie up and running today, or maybe tomorrow.

Will let you know how it goes.

JC

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:00 pm 
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Location: Onalaska, Texas
Car Model: 1967 Dodge P200 Post Office Vehicle
Hey All,
Tuesday Afternoon Update:

The FBO Systems brand VR-1 Electronic Voltage Regulators arrived at 3:00 p.m.

Took one of them out and installed it.

Hooked up the battery.

Turned on the Run Switch.

Hit the Start Switch, and Lorrie started right up and INSTANTLY went to a 600 RPM idle.

Brought the temperature up to 160 degrees.

Checked the Voltage at the Battery and it is getting 14.3 Volts, steady as a rock.

She has never run better. She is smoother with no harmonic vibration as the Throttle is opened like she used to have.

Am going to be taking Lorrie to Livingston tomorrow to get cat food at the Wal*Mart and Kitty Litter at the H.E.B.

Will also be taking the Two Field Alternator to Smith Auto Electric to see why the one Field Terminal has a reading of between 8.8 and 11.3 Ohms depending on the temperature, while the OTHER Field Terminal, which used to have a male spade connector, but now has a Hex Head Bolt, has a reading of 3.00 Ohms.

If anyone here would like to make a guess as to why this it, feel free.

Anyway, we'll see now if Lorrie is going to be her old reliable self. It has been since early November since she has started this easily and run this good.

Hope you all are well.

JC

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:22 pm 
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Hooray! 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:11 pm 
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Well done,congratulations!! Enjoy your slanting!!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:57 am 
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Hooray! 8)
Hey Reed,
My sentiments EXACTLY!

Now this can go two ways... Either Lorrie is going to return to being here old reliable, HAPPY self.

OR, she is going to see if she can get MORE attention by developing OTHER issues.

We will see. Time will tell.

My feelings about it are all good. I'm thinking that she is going to be just fine.

Will let you know how it goes.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:15 am 
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Location: Onalaska, Texas
Car Model: 1967 Dodge P200 Post Office Vehicle
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Well done,congratulations!!
Hey Steve,
It has been a bit of a struggle, but an enjoyable one. As far as can be told, Lorrie is in the best shape of her life since coming to be with me. It'll be great if she just stays HAPPY and contented.
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Enjoy your slanting!!
Steve, Lorrie's MIGHTY 225 Slant Six is such a big, old, gentle thing. It doesn't struggle to do what it does.

There are a couple of things that need attention though:

One is that the Brights on the Headlight have stopped working. It's probably a loose wire somewhere. Easy to check, but since I haven't been out after dark for over a decade (maybe two), the only reason to have to fix that problem is to pass inspection which won't be coming up till early June.

The other is to fine tune the Timing. Am thinking that Lorrie could use a bit more Initial Advance, but until that gets done, Lorrie is percolating just fine.

Am going to be occupying my time getting Ms. American's (1964 Ford Galaxie Police Interceptor) Centrifugal Advance Mechanism sorted out. Her Distributor has either weak, broken, or loose Springs. Have her set at 8 degrees BTDC Initial, and 32 Degrees all in, which is just fine. The problem is that it is happening at only 1,400 RPM, and shouldn't happen till between 2,400 and 3,000 RPM.

Also, she has a NEW Adjustable Vacuum Advance Assembly and it needs to be properly adjusted.

So with Spring just starting, between NOW and Summer when it is too hot to be outside, we'll be getting everything straightened up and fine tuned.

Anyway, thanks for the responses. Will keep you updated on Lorrie's antics.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:04 pm 
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Location: Onalaska, Texas
Car Model: 1967 Dodge P200 Post Office Vehicle
Hey All,
Wednesday Afternoon Update:

Went out this morning and cleaned all of Lorrie's Windows, and got everything that wasn't necessary to be in her out and into the house.

Got myself all ready to go to Livingston.

Went out, and would you believe? LORRIE WOULDN'T START!

Pulled Number 5 Cylinder Spark Plug, put it in the Spark Plug Boot, grounded it, turned on the Run Switch, cranked the starter = NO SPARK!

Reinstalled the Spark Plug.

Checked the Voltage at the Battery = 12.59 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the Starter = 12.58 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the Fuse Panel Input = 12.58 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the Fuse Panel Common = 12.58 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the Run Switch Fuse Input = 12.58 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the Run Switch Fuse Outlet = 00.00 Volts!

Pulled the Fuse and check it for continuity. NOTHING!

But the fuse wasn't burned. It looked perfectly good. But it just wouldn't pass any electricity.

Checked the Voltage at the Run Switch Fuse Outlet that goes to the Voltage Regulator IGN Terminal = 12.48 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the IGN Connector to the Voltage Regulator with the Wire disconnected from the Voltage Regulator which also comes from the Run Switch, but is a separate Circuit on the Run Switch = 12.48 Volts.

Checked the Wire connected to the Control Module from the Run Switch = 00.00 Volts.

Checked the Wire Connected to the Ignition Coil from the Run Switch = 00.00 Volts.

Replaced the Run Switch 32 Amp Fuse with another Fuse that tested OK.

Checked the Voltage at the Run Switch Fuse Outlet = 12.48 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the Control Module Input = 12.10 Volts.

Checked the Voltage at the "+" Input of the Ignition Coil = 12.10 Volts.

Pulled Number 5 Cylinder Spark Plug, put it in the Spark Plug Boot, grounded it, turned on the Run Switch, cranked the starter = SPARK!

Reinstalled the Spark Plug.

Connected everything up, and turned on the Run Switch, cranked the Starter:

LORRIE WOULDN'T START!

Think that she may be flooded from cranking her while there was no spark.

Am going to let her sit for a while and maybe if she IS flooded, the gasoline will evaporate.

In the mean time, Ms. American started right up, and took me to the Wal*Mart in Livingston for cat food. BUT Ms. American is not a happy camper either. Something going wrong that manifests as a rough ride. Maybe a Rear Axle Bearing, or a Universal Joint, or maybe the Clutch is going out again.

Anyway, am bound determined to get these two old things to where they are reliable again. May be pissing into the wind though!

Will let you know what happens later.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:08 pm 
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At least you still have spark.... Hopefully just flooded. Hang in there,old cars can be extremely reliable when sorted. A 1964 Galaxie huh? Is that a 260 or 289? I may get in big trouble for saying this on a slant forum but they are a beautiful power plant,one of my all time favourites! Good luck with the starting,keep us posted.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:38 pm 
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Turbo Slant 6

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Location: Onalaska, Texas
Car Model: 1967 Dodge P200 Post Office Vehicle
Hey All,
Wednesday Evening Update.

Just got back from doing the grocery shopping in Lorrie Van Haul!

Went out at 3:30 p.m., turned on the Run Switch, hit the Start Switch, and LORRIE STARTED RIGHT UP!

Think she was just flooded from having a faulty 32 Amp Fuse this morning. OR... Maybe she just doesn't want to start when the temperature is below 70 degrees.

So tomorrow morning, am going to check all the Fuses to make sure that they are all alright, and will see if she will start when it's a bit cooler.

Will let you all know what happens then.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:40 pm 
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If it wasn't for bad luck you wouldn't have any luck at all, right? Sorry you are having this string of odd component failures. Hang in there, you will get it sorted.

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