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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:51 am 
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Car Model: Barracuda coupé 1970 170ci 3spd Manual (Export)
Hi everybody,

I'm Fabien, from Dunkirk (France), I'm 23, with some Detroit-made cars background, as my uncles have for a while a bunch of Corvette's and some Ford's.

But I'm happier than ever, as I'm the happy owner of a Mopar for now 2 years :mrgreen:

So it's a '70 Barracuda, but not that much the "Muscle Car" people can imagine, as it runs its original matching number 170ci and 3spd manual drivetrain.
(This weird feature for a '70 Mopar is unique to Europe, where back in the days we had heavy taxes on high displacement cars)
Is was still common 15 years ago to meet some 170ci-3spd powered Chally's and Cuda's here in France, but now a lot of them have been "vee-eighted"

The car is far to be mint conditions, some bad bodywork have been done in the eighties, resulting in a bizarre shape (and a thick coat of mastic...) But It's a good runner, I've done 8.000 miles since I own it (gas mileage helps ! :D) On meetings, how many people tell they got a 440/383/512/Cuda/Charger/Chally/Coronet... (Pick your choice) but he did not came, beacause he lives 30 miles away and the fuel is expensive! But beside that they all think I'd fit a 440 in it, 'cause it's cooler you know... Dumbasses :roll:

I'm a glad owner and I will keep her Slantsixed :)

The 170 is a bit short of power in hilly areas, so this weekend I bought a 1979 Volare T-top witch will offer its Super-Six that I will tune with some 198 rods/2.2 pistons combo and plenty of good things I'm learning since I read the golden advices of Doc Dodge and Dan, I will have to find a E-body A883, and an OD bell housing, not that easy in France !

The 170 and 3 speed gearbox will have a complete overhaul (oil seeping from head gasket, spark plugs tubes, oil pan and rear main seal...) and will stand right next to the car in the garage

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:59 am 
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Very cool! Welcome to the site. Nice to see some really unusual iron, especially since it and you are living in France. While you have the warmed up 225 in there, you can turbo and EFI the 170!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:05 am 
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original matching number 170ci and 3spd manual drivetrain.
I had no idea that Chrysler did that,, and Lou is right, I have no experience with 170's but I have read that they can turn some serious RPM's and respond well to Turbo Charging,

You may want to contact Charrlie_S on this forum, he has experience with 170's and turbos.....

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:47 am 
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That's a cool car. Thanks for sharing.
"Chally's" took me a minute but I get it now. :wink:
Keep coming back, it's good here.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:48 am 
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Bonjour! C'est magnifique! And that is about all the French I know. That is a very nice looking Challenger and I am very happy that you have kept it original. You might want to consider adding a turbocharger for more power and possibly more economy (if you don't speed).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:14 pm 
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Bienvenue ici! C'est cool, ça, une modèle configurée pour l'exportation, avec moteur 2,8 litre—indisponible en Amérique du Nord après 1969—pour éviter les taxes élévees en pays européens.

Votre voiture, elle semble avoir des phares scellés à type américaine, ce qui est inhabituel pour deux raisons: la France a toujours été assez stricte pour exiger des phares à code européen et, jusqu'au début de 1993, ces phares devaient émettre une lumière jaune et non blanche, comme éxpliqué ici. Si vous y tenez, les bons projecteurs sont facilement disponibles auprès de Valeo, sous leurs numéro de référence 082440 (version sans veilleuse) ou 082438 (avec veilleuse). Les ampoules H4 jaunes authentiques ne sont plus obligatoires et sont devenues difficiles à trouver, mais elles peuvent encore être obtenues avec un peu d'effort.

Je me demande si les feux clignos arrières produisent une lumière rouge ou orange; c'est un autre point sur lequel les règlements français sont généralement assez insistants, bien que je ne sache pas exactement en quelle année l'ambre est devenu obligatoire pour les clignos; peut-être que votre voiture est assez vieille pour que les roux sont encore légalement permis.

Il y a eu d'autres participants ici de France; par exemple voir ici.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:14 am 
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Car Model: Barracuda coupé 1970 170ci 3spd Manual (Export)
Thank you for the warm welcoming !
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had no idea that Chrysler did that
Chrysler Europe did, they had some assembly facilities down in UK and Belgium since the late 40's, many Desoto, Plymouth and Dodge has been imported in boxes (other manufacturers did the same, as Willy's, Chevrolet and others) to have a reduced import tax rate compared with finished products (Agricultural/construction market as well did, like John Deere, Case IH, Caterpillar...)

My Cuda has been assembled at the Nekaf/Chrysler factory in the Netherlands, with a 1969 LA produced G engine, 2pt seat belts on the front seats only, Powerbrakes, front discs, floor shifter and console
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Votre voiture, elle semble avoir des phares scellés à type américaine
I'm impressed by your good French ! Did you live here for a while ?

The Cuda does have US sealed beam, and never have had equipped with French yellow headlights, the easy reason is that it has been sold when new in Belgium, to a lawyer who bought it for his wife in the Bruxelles's suburb ;)

The amber turn lights has been mandatory in Europe by the 80's I guess (C4 Corvette era) any US car older than that is still fitted with its US type taillight config.

If you want some Yellow H4 I can ship you a bunch of it, it's easy to get some here (indeed!) even 100W ones. It's good to have it combined with a pair of yellow-tinted glasses not to be glared by fog/snow weather !
Hella P/N for the headlight with parking light in : 1A6 002 395-071 which is usually cheaper than the similar Valeo one ;)

For the ones who would like me to turbocharge my 170, I won't, I'll keep it as original, as this kind of cars are now incredibly rares! But maybe in the future, slants are yet affordable engines and not that difficult to get in France. I'm looking to get another super six Volare (SW this one) for sale at 2hr driving for $1.5k as I now have some part bank at home to rebuilt it.

Here is my T-top last saturday:
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and the SW I might get : https://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_aut ... tm?ca=17_s (it would be a nice daily!)

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Votre voiture, elle semble avoir des phares scellés à type américaine
I'm impressed by your good French ! Did you live here for a while ?
Merci! Non, mais (à l'opposé d'habitude aux É-U) à mon école les classes dans une langue étrangere étaient obligatoire pour tous les élèves ayant 11 ans ou plus. Cela m'a été très bénéfique plus tard en mon vie; aujourd'hui je suis chef-redacteur du journal mondial de l'industrie éclairage, signalisation, et vision des chauffeurs—lancé, avec son siège à Paris—par le chef de recherche et developpement de l'éminent fabricant français de phares, projecteurs, et feux pour véhicules, après sa retraite de celui-ci. Donc je suis content d'avoir choisi le français au lieu de l'espagnol en école! (et cela m'a également aidé lorsque je travaillais à ma citoyenneté canadienne.)
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The Cuda does have US sealed beam, and never have had equipped with French yellow headlights
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If you want some Yellow H4 I can ship you a bunch of it
Merci! Peut-être que je vous prendrais sur cette offre. À ce moment je n'ai aucune voiture avec phares à technique H4.
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Hella P/N for the headlight with parking light in : 1A6 002 395-071 which is usually cheaper than the similar Valeo one ;)
Oui, c'est moins cher, mais aussi c'est moins puissant. Pas si affreux que les chinois, mais pas tres bien. Il y a un autre bloc optique Hella de même taille et fixation, 1A6 002 395-191, H4 code/route et T4W veilleuse, avec une meilleure efficacité optique et de meilleures performances, mais il y a aussi des autres blocs encore supérieurs: le roi, c'est Nissan ref 26705-C9901. 2ième préférence, c'est Toyota ref 90981-01035. Les deux sans veilleuse, avec glace plat, ampoule H4. Et au-delà, il y a maintenant d'excellents phares à LED pour le remplacement direct des phares scellées. Je ne parle pas du tout aux "ampoules LED H4" frauduleuses, mais aux véritables phares à LED qui se conforment aux normes européennes. Certains d'entre eux ont des feux diurnaux intégrés. Par exemple, voir ici et ici. Nous vivons dans le futur, hein!

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1979 Volare T-top witch will offer its Super-Six that I will tune with some 198 rods/2.2 pistons combo and plenty of good things I'm learning since I read the golden advices of Doc Dodge and Dan, I will have to find a E-body A883, and an OD bell housing, not that easy in France !
That's going to be a tough combo, if the Volare has the cast crank 225 engine you will need custom rods to make the 2.2 combo work as the cast crank is not the same as the forged crank, journal wise and are not interchangeable
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Sadly Molnar cast crank rods are not available any longer either. A pre-1976 225 will need to be the basis for that combination (maybe someone swapped an earlier engine in the Volare?). You may need to just put together a well built 225, which will take care of the low end torque issue of hill climbing.

Also, there is no E-body A-833OD, you will be looking for a 1975-1987 Dodge Truck OD bell, shifter and transmission to get the proper length transmission (E-body A-833 shift rods will be $$$ as well), which as you said isn't going to be easy to find in Europe.


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Dan, is it true that you are a citizen of at least 2 countries
USA by birth, Canada by effort.
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Fraid I can't discuss that. My citizenship would get revoked. Image

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Car Model: Barracuda coupé 1970 170ci 3spd Manual (Export)
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Et au-delà, il y a maintenant d'excellents phares à LED pour le remplacement direct des phares scellées. Je ne parle pas du tout aux "ampoules LED H4" frauduleuses, mais aux véritables phares à LED qui se conforment aux normes européennes. Certains d'entre eux ont des feux diurnaux intégrés. Par exemple, voir ici et ici. Nous vivons dans le futur, hein!
I've had read on this board that you were a lightening geek, but I'm impressed !
I don't like the first "fancy" design but the classical one looks terrific !
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That's going to be a tough combo, if the Volare has the cast crank 225 engine you will need custom rods to make the 2.2 combo work as the cast crank is not the same as the forged crank, journal wise and are not interchangeable.
Sadly Molnar cast crank rods are not available any longer either. A pre-1976 225 will need to be the basis for that combination (maybe someone swapped an earlier engine in the Volare?). You may need to just put together a well built 225, which will take care of the low end torque issue of hill climbing.
I've read here (probably from the Doc) about the possibility to mill a 198 con rod to the cast journal width, am I wrong?
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Also, there is no E-body A-833OD, you will be looking for a 1975-1987 Dodge Truck OD bell, shifter and transmission to get the proper length transmission (E-body A-833 shift rods will be $$$ as well), which as you said isn't going to be easy to find in Europe.

About the tranny subject I may have to pick the parts on craigslist or ebay and to ship it to here, I do know some guys who bring few containers per year of cars/parts/collectibles... And he is friendly with receiving some parts at his US location to bring it here. Sure it will be $$$ but the car worth it
I'm still not decided if I want a V8 E-body 833 or if I pick an later OD one. And I'll have to get a rear axle too, I'm not safe with the 7-1/4" on such a big car, an 8-1/4 'd be better (and more affordable than an oversized 8-3/4"!) wouldn't be ?

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I've read here (probably from the Doc) about the possibility to mill a 198 con rod to the cast journal width, am I wrong?
Yes, he's done it, but it's going to cost $$$... and those rods aren't easy to find, just trying to make sure you save some $$$ and have a compatible combo
in case something goes wrong.
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And I'll have to get a rear axle too, I'm not safe with the 7-1/4" on such a big car, an 8-1/4 'd be better (and more affordable than an oversized 8-3/4"!) wouldn't be ?
The 8 3/4" E-body would be a bolt in. Not sure on the availability of an 8 1/4" E-body compatible rear axle (getting a wider one from a late B or C body would be a lot of work
compared to cutting down the 8 3/4" since the 8 1/4" uses C-clip retainers on the axle shafts).
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I'm still not decided if I want a V8 E-body 833 or if I pick an later OD one.
The E-body item will be $$$...being for a Cuda/Charger/Etc.... The OD unit will allow you to run a slant six "kinder" rear gear ratio (like 3.55- 3.91), so you can keep your mileage and climb hills really easily.


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those rods aren't easy to find, just trying to make sure you save some $$$ and have a compatible combo
in case something goes wrong.
Do the K1 or Molnar rods have enough "free width" to cut them down ?

It's money of course, but we yet have a good €/$ rate, and well, engine building is an expensive hobby anyway, I'd rather do water painting if I would not spend much :roll:
And I kind of like the idea of a "lightweight" rotating assembly, with the good rod ratio of the 198/2.2 setup I can hope increased reving speed, all in all, France is the birthplace of rallye sport :mrgreen:


Your points are good concerning the tranny/axle choice, I'll study it deeper

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