I'm looking for the support bracket that connects a Slant Six to the A833OD bellhousing. I'm not sure what model this might come from, or if it will need to be a custom part. Here's a picture of my dilemma, conversion from 904 to A833OD, the 904 bracket does not match up:

Something isn't right about your bracket.
All the A/F and truck one's I've pulled are all the same A-904 to A-230 to A-833OD....


If you need another one, send me a PM and I'll sell you one for $10 plus shipping...
Need your application too...(truck, car...)


-D.Idiot

My box of 'ears' took a walk, it's not where I left it in the shed before I went to the Sandbox.

Hope someone else has one 'at hand', I'll keep digging I had 3 of these at one time and some others for the A904's


Anyone else? He needs one that has the 'wide ear' (70's A-body, and manual tranny A-833 Trucks)...


lo siento mucho!

-D.Idiot

those brackets should be the same as early a body stuff too? They mount to the slant & to the tranny correct?-- his pic -- the small mount he has doesn't even look close-- it 's the bracket I've seen on a/t equipped cars-- the manual cars had a wider tranny mount style the bracket is approx 6" wide- a/t cars is approx 4" wide

Folks,

This made me go look at my bracket area and bellhousing stash. All my A833 bellhousings have a high mount starter. How does a bracket like the one in the pic, or any for that matter, allow a high mount starter?

Last summer I ran into this problem with my truck A833 swap. Trucks have a "universal" cast iron bell that takes A745, NP435..BUT with low mount starters!

Looked to me as if converting a 60's truck meant using the A833 bellhousing with NO bracket so you can get a high mount starter into the A833 bell. With no bracket and the tranny supported at its rear and at engine only by bellhousing bolts, you have a long span with no under support. (From front engine mounts to rear tranny mount. So in the summer I was asking where you all would place a fabricated cross member...under the bell-to-engine connection and also under the tailhousing, or one, or both? Consensus seemed to be at tailhousing only. But I still feel uneasy with no bracket.

Which bracket is supposed to bridge the car slant six block to A333 bell? Is it that 70's one just mentioned, and anyone got one one I can get? I am about to just machine one for good luck out of 3/8 stock and use a small Denso style starter.

rock
'64d100
'64d100

This 'ear' to support the slant to manual bell housing is stock on all slants... The low mount starter version I took off a 63 Dodge truck was pretty stout...the ear only mates to the lower rail on the slant block, and to two bell housing bolts. If you look at his picture the 'high mount' starter will insert in the bellhousing right above the 'bolt' show in the picture (block to bellhousing at right), there is a nice semi circular notchout for the later 2 bolt starters to go.

On the big 11" clutch NP435 bellhousing you have no knock out as the housing covers the 'notchout' and the starter inserts in the lower 'hole'.

This is not a 'crossmember' the later setup is mated bell to block, supported by two motor mounts front and one mount at the rear of the tranny... the ear is just another set of bolts to make sure the bell doesn't flex away from the block (note on LA motors there's more block to mate to the bell so -no ear...)

-2 cents

-D.idiot

Thanks guys, for taking time to share the knowledge.

However, there is more to the slant six to aluminum A833 bellhousing, it seems. I have clear pics of the 3 variations, including mine that is different yet from what has been mentioned, if someone has a picture hosting thing and I could email them my jpeg to post. (I don't have a pic hosting thing) Failing that, the two variations talked about so far are, I believe, those in ebay 4615629672 and ebay 8036220317 and have great pics.

I don't have the engine to A833 bellhousing bracket because I bought the tranny by itself, else I sure woulda pulled it. I assumed mine would work fine. WRONG, and mine is not like these other two. I don't have an NP435, I have an A745, which was the stock 3 speed in '64. Dodge accomodated truck buyers by using an 11 inch clutch and a heavy cast iron "universal" bellhousing...this bellhousing is numbered 2235714-2. It is referred to this way because it will take the NP435, the A745 and I am told will take the A833 as well. More in a minute on why I can't confirm this.

This bellhousing also has a "hip" on each side that is a 45 degree or so flat angle, just like the one on a poly 318 engine, and those hips attach to a cross member. Thus my reference to a cross member at the engine-to-bell connection and a mount at engine mid-body. Pretty beefy huh! From bforsse's pics it looks as if the cars don't have the crossmember.

Now, from that "universal" bellhousing isa bracket to the engine that bolts to the block as do the other brackets, but rises UP to cover the little web flare-out from the block at the oil pan-to-block line at the rear of the engine. All blocks I have seen have this web flare-out...a miniature one of the one added to the block front at the water pump area when the blocks added ribs and "freeze plugs". The bracket I have rounds up and covers the web flare-out, covers the lower starter bolt hole on the top mount starter circle in the block and bolts to the bell about halfway covering the top mount starter casting hole in the block, a high mount starter cannot be used with this bracket.

Assuming all along it could I assembed adn engine, aluminum A833 bellhousing and A833 on the bench while still driving the vehicle with ehr aforementioned parts. I am thinking I may have to pull out the in-use engine and tranny and split them apart to see if the A833 will really bolt to the "universal" bell, inasmuch as mine are still together, unless someone knows for sure.

So, I am much more informed as a result of Rob's and Vdart's help, but still like bforsse in need of a slant six to aluminum 833 bell bracket that allows a top mount starter. Anyone got one? and is anyone up for me sending them a pic of the truck bracket to post?

Thanks to all as always,
rock
'64d100

Folks,

I got out my bench BH and Block mockups and tried out some brackets. The deal is that on my truck the bracket is basically an extended triangle extending to the BH..BUT with the bolt holes down the center of the bracket. All other brackets we have been talking about have holes along their "top" edge and after the block bolts the bracket angles down to the BH. I made a series of clear pics of all this and shot some assembled with a white straightedge along top of bracket to show how much of angle the 833 bracket must have downward. My bracket has a curve that looks large enought to cover a starter, BUT the curve is over the web of the block as it extends to BH seat. But ya know, I still dunno which one bforsse has!

lemme know if you want some pics.
rock
'64d100

I did find one that seems to fit from "L H", I will send post pics shortly. He didn't mention what year it came off of, just that is was a manual setup.

I can't mount it at the moment because the pipes were made for my dual dutra setup, the new larger bellhousing and bracket didn't exist at the time. So there isn't enough clearance between the pipe and the bellhousing to mount the bracket yet. I'll have to modify that at some point. But at least for now I know I have the correct part.

Thanks to everybody for their help, and as always shockingly quick and detailed replies.