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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:50 pm 
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It all come down to what you want for your type of driving.
My current SL6 car has less then $3k in it, gets 20+ MPG and will run a 15.7 quarter mile. I drive the car everyday, it starts right-up and goes.

I have run the BB the SB and the SL6 Mopar engines of the 60-80's and had fun with all of them. These days... when it comes to having a pretty spunky car, that gets decent MPG when I drive it the way I like to drive... (I drive a car hard) and the car has to be affordable, which means a car that I can work on myself... I just can't beat a SL6 powered A-Body.

Yes... I can get good MPG out of a 2.76 geared V8 car but these rear geared cars are not that fun on my cross town commute... or at the drag strip.
And then there is the simple fact that more HP = more gas and at $3.25 per gallon, how much HP do you really need at your disposal?

Oh, and there's that little thing about how you "use it, when you have it"... I am guilty of that. I don't need 450 HP on the street these days.
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Is that a Holley Street Dominator on that Doc? I miss that '67 Forumla S fastback I used to have. 11:31 440 fender well Hookers, .538 Crane solid cam, 70 model 6 pack intake full manual no progressive linkage.

14mpg combined with 3:23's and a 4 speed!




combined= 7 in the city 7 on the road! :lol:

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Yes, Holley Street Dominator intake with a 850 cfm carb.
This "street car" would run 12.06 @ 116 mph... traction was a problem.
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... traction was a problem.
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Ya think??!!?? :shock:


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I've seen stock 340 Darts at the race track not get out of the 15's because of traction problems.

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I've seen stock 340 Darts at the race track not get out of the 15's because of traction problems.

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You'd be amazed at how many "muscle" cars ran low to mid 15's box stock. My trans guy has an original 440+6 Challenger that he races. He crapped his pants when he saw my car running high 14's all motor on street tires. He said the best his Challenger ever ran when it was bone stock was mid 15's.

I'm still amazed at some of the pigs I see on the track every year.

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Here's a shameless plug for my buddy Jamie Fenner's E/SA Demon 340. Stock intake and carb on a '71 340 motor. Car has been 10:90's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHYMWvJz4w

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That was fun. The Dusters and Demons have a better shot in stock form because of those bigger wheel wells. I thought it was interesting that the wheel stander lost. Or seemed to from what you can tell from that clip. I was very tempted to cut the wheel wells on my Dart. I have a pair of metal front fenders I was looking at to canibalize the wheel well lips from. But then, I figured I am not too likely to race this gal. She's a cruiser, and a driver now.

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It doesn't surprise me that it lost. The power used to do that wheelstand would be put to better use getting the car down the track.

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Great link, I watched it 10 times!
He lost because he got out of it once he landed. I doubt he wanted for the front end to go that far up.

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Great link, I watched it 10 times!
He lost because he got out of it once he landed. I doubt he wanted for the front end to go that far up.
Yep, car went for the centerline after it came down. I have raced against Jamie at US 41 and seen the car next to me with the wheels 3 feet in the air. I think Studley's Dart was a little faster than Jamie was anyway.

It just goes to show what you can do when you have a properly set-up suspension. That is a motor that may be making 450 horse at the crank. Stock carb, intake, pistons, unported heads. That is the original drivetrain in the car. Jamie has owned that car since 1974 when he bought it in high school as his first car. :shock:

At the US Nationals where that pass was made it was simply known as "The Run". :lol: :lol: :lol:

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It doesn't surprise me that it lost. The power used to do that wheelstand would be put to better use getting the car down the track.
I agree. A Mopar that is set up right (with factory suspension, not with 4-links or anything fancy) will launch very flat out of the hole. The Demon in the near lane illustrates it pretty well, although it has a little more front-end lift than some I've seen. The axle housing torque transmitted through the asymmetric rear leafs will lift the rear end as the launch tries to lift the front end, with the net result that the whole car body (front and rear) rises as the rear wheels are planted downward. If anyone here was on the MML in the old days circa 1994 (I know Dan was...) then they might remember videos of "Hemi" Jim Gleason's '67 GTX at the track. A beautiful thing to see- looked like it was defying the laws of physics, but if you looked close in one of the runs you could see the rear springs deflecting rearward of the axle and the more rigid front halves levering the rear of the car upward on the launch. Actually, most people remember the infamous garage burnout from that video, but that's another story... :D

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Looks as if the 5.7 Hemi's are going into just about anything.

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1056297/ ... LOOK-.html

I went to look at a slant six '68 V100 2 months ago. It was worse than my Signet so I passed.
It sold 3 weeks ago to someone that has a 5.7 Hemi to put in it.

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