Slant Six Forum :: Aftermarket Aluminum Cylinder Head?

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409's got heads because there is a market for them and originals are worth too much to collectors to chop up for race heads.

AMC got heads because there are 11ty billion of them running around in Jeeps.

Except to a very small number of us Slants are neither race motors nor collectable.

You want an alloy head? Get in touch with CNC Dude and offer to help him out. It's just that simple.

All of the above is true and correct.

Saying something is true doesn't make it so.

Strange how this "market" for Alum 409 heads had to wait 50?years for the demand to be met or just possibility maybe it happened the other way around?
And the 409 suffers from many of the limitations our beloved Slant does, except there is an abundance of much better, more powerful, much cheaper brand specific similar format engine alternatives. Have no idea what 409 "race" heads that are so collectible as not want them "chopped" up.

I think I was one who also mentioned "AMC" heads, there are not "11ty billion" of them, and I don't think they are in jeeps. As a matter of fact, the available alum AMC heads don't seem to widely accepted, but I maybe wrong.

http://www.indyheads.com/images/16.cat2014.pdf availble for over 4? years/

As much as I thought these heads made no sense commercially. they were made.

I don't understand the comment of "small number of slants"? Really?
A lack of affordable aftermarket parts also impacts collectability. We can argue the chicken or the egg all day long.

And I understand the jaded, defeatist, been there done that, it will never happen, tired of typing again, and again, etc, I think I, and the spectators here get that position. Own it proudly if you must, but belittling and undermining the efforts or ideas of others repeatedly, serves no one. Besides times change, people have been surprised before, and positive thinking harms no one.

Motivating Edelbrock is the key.

Author:	GTS225 [ Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:49 pm ]
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DAN! You're getting excessively irritated...take a qualude, or a big, deep breath.....in the nose, out the mouth.....say it with me......gooooosefrahba. Better? I know....the whole thing is going to give you an aneurism(sp?), but you gotta relax, or dealing with "them" is going to kill you. Remember....you ain't no spring chicken anymore. Roger

Author:	Tim Keith [ Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:55 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: 409's got heads because there is a market for them and originals are worth too much to collectors to chop up for race heads. AMC got heads because there are 11ty billion of them running around in Jeeps. Except to a very small number of us Slants are neither race motors nor collectable. You want an alloy head? Get in touch with CNC Dude and offer to help him out. It's just that simple. All of the above is true and correct. Saying something is true doesn't make it so. Strange how this "market" for Alum 409 heads had to wait 50?years for the demand to be met or just possibility maybe it happened the other way around? And the 409 suffers from many of the limitations our beloved Slant does, except there is an abundance of much better, more powerful, much cheaper brand specific similar format engine alternatives. Have no idea what 409 "race" heads that are so collectible as not want them "chopped" up. I think I was one who also mentioned "AMC" heads, there are not "11ty billion" of them, and I don't think they are in jeeps. As a matter of fact, the available alum AMC heads don't seem to widely accepted, but I maybe wrong. http://www.indyheads.com/images/16.cat2014.pdf availble for over 4? years/ As much as I thought these heads made no sense commercially. they were made. I don't understand the comment of "small number of slants"? Really? A lack of affordable aftermarket parts also impacts collectability. We can argue the chicken or the egg all day long. And I understand the jaded, defeatist, been there done that, it will never happen, tired of typing again, and again, etc, I think I, and the spectators here get that position. Own it proudly if you must, but belittling and undermining the efforts or ideas of others repeatedly, serves no one. Besides times change, people have been surprised before, and positive thinking harms no one. Motivating Edelbrock is the key. You can easily spend $1,000 for fancy rims, although I know you can buy cheap ones too. The new 17 inch Rallye wheels that Year One sells are not cheap. There is a new Chrysler Polyspherical head. Not low cost, but there is a small but dedicated following for the poly, which was a decent motor with undeveloped potential. The adaptation of the small block stroker kits helped the poly fans. Actually, a poly type chamber for the slant six might be a good idea. The prospects for the poly and the 409 were probably helped by aging baby boomers who have paid off the mortgage. http://chryslerpower.com/webstore/Poly If such projects are done it won't be a group effort no more than Chrysler asked our grandfathers what they wanted to see in the slant six. I actually prefer an iron slant six head, I don't care if it weighs more. I don't want a lot of features - a head that Chrysler might have built if the slant six had been kept in production for another decade. The NA 2JZ is a great inline six motor but there is not much focus on that motor. Everybody wants the 2JZ-GTE, which has great aftermarket support.

Author:	sandy in BC [ Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:06 pm ]
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If we are going to have an alloy head...please dont let it be from Edelbrock.

Author:	Joshie225 [ Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:53 pm ]
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Quote: I don't want a lot of features - a head that Chrysler might have built if the slant six had been kept in production for another decade. That head was built. It was the 2.2/2.5 cylinder head. How great is that?

Author:	Reed [ Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:53 pm ]
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If you have enough money to want to buy an aluminum head, build a cast iron head and and fuel injection and a turbo or supercharger. That can and has been affordably accomplished. The head is the bottleneck (literally) for slant performance. Your best route is to force more air into it.

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Author:	SlantSixDan [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:00 am ]
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Quote: I've been on the internet long enough to know that when someone starts using post counts to strengthen their position, and going personal, they are grasping at straws. â€¦but not long enough to know better than to quote an entire long post to add three lines, as it seems. You were unable to refute any of my pointsâ€”big surpriseâ€”and it doesn't sound like you're planning on writing that check to Edelbrock any time soonâ€”even bigger surpriseâ€”so instead you bellyached about my reference to your post count and being called out on your out-of-line bleatings. Since you're having a hard time with comprehension, here's some assistance: it's not that my high post count makes me better than you, it's that you're a johnny-come-lately too lazy to go read the history of this longrunning discussion before issuing grand and baseless pronouncements about what we all should be doing and how we all should be thinking. Everyone is welcome here, but it is rude and inconsiderate for a new member like yourself to barge in and start barking about how you're right and the rest of us, who know more than you and have been here longer, are wrong. Run along and babble somewhere else; the grownups are talking over here.

Author:	slantzilla [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:13 am ]
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Any of you aluminmum head nutswingers want to venture a guess on how much scratch Howard dug out of his own pocket to build this? http://slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php ... minum+head Also, notice that the head was only the first part of the equation. The rest of the motor was pretty pricey too. I personally find it hilarious that some keyboard Slant jockey with 7 total posts digs up a 4 year old thread and his only backup is another with 12 posts. C'mon boys, keep telling us how easy this is going to be to accomplish. Even better is none of these phucktards can offer any solid proof what this new high-zoot aloominium head is going to do to justify me prying open my wallet and tossing out $3000 US for it. They just want to tell me I'm stupid for not believing it's just a phone call away. There is also a shiny silver unicorn in my garage that eats rainbows and farts glitter and gold. I admit, since I don't travel the country racing these Slant 6 thingys anymore I am kind of out of touch. However, I am still pretty sure there are not THOUSANDS of Slant people willing to part with 2/3 the cost of their car for a shiny cylinder head that may or may not do diddly squat. It is great fun to continually beat a dead horse. I believe by now even the bones are dust. Be happy to do it again in another 6 months though.

Author:	wvenable [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:53 am ]
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Shall I remind you Big D that Howard's aluminum head is but one of two that have their origins in Indiana?

Author:	Tim Keith [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:17 am ]
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Quote: Quote: I don't want a lot of features - a head that Chrysler might have built if the slant six had been kept in production for another decade. That head was built. It was the 2.2/2.5 cylinder head. How great is that? The na 2.5 only produced 100 horsepower, but extrapolated to a 3.7 liter six it could have made about 150 HP in a slant six. Compared to less than 80 hp in the last years of the 225, an increase to 150 hp (with more torque too) would have been okay with me. The 2.2/2.5 block leaned the other way so that the intake ports are straighter than the 225, but the na 2.5 is hardly a high performance motor. Even the Jeep 2.5 four made much more power. If the Jeep four was extrapolated to a six, it would make about the same power as the Jeep 4.0, but the Jeep 2.5 has larger valves. Probably the best goal for bolt on parts for a slant six is a turbo kit although I'm discouraged by the tuning costs of the best examples that have used EFI.

Author:	slantzilla [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:54 am ]
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Quote: Shall I remind you Big D that Howard's aluminum head is but one of two that have their origins in Indiana?

Author:	sandy in BC [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:58 am ]
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wow!....what would something like that cost? Im in for 2....is it a kit?

Author:	slantzilla [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:09 am ]
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Why yes Sandy, there is.

Author:	slantzilla [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:12 am ]
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You can also make wonderful hats.

Author:	Danarchy [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:46 am ]
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Quote: I thought my Head was Aluminum? Maybe that's just my hat! Exactly!

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Author:	SlantSixDan [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:49 pm ]
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Quote: wow!....what would something like that cost? Im in for 2....is it a kit? Yeah, didn't you see it in the list on this page?