Slant Six Forum :: Help with spinning head

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... I think it would be harder for a pressed in stud to pull through the hub than it would be for a threaded in stud to gradually work its way loose.

Speaking of rear axles:

Part of the rationale for using threaded studs in redrilled axle flanges is that the threaded holes are of smaller diameter than the drilled holes required for the press-in studs. This leaves more metal around the holes. Screw-in studs(Usually socket-head cap screws) have heads to back them and prevent pull-through. When properly installed with stud-grade locktite they are pretty secure.

I think the real issue is whether there is enough metal to accomodate the new studs on these axles. On the 7 1/4" axle, you have to work around the existing stud holes, the retainer access hole, and the small OD of the flange itself. Not the best situation.

Look at the difference between my post count and your own, I read everyday and absorb. You ask questions everyday

In your case, switching to Disc Brakes and swapping the rear axle would be a good choice(I would say the best choice). Spending hundreds of dollars on parts you will most likely eventually change out in favor of disc brakes makes no sense to me

It's more gritching when a particular individual asks a question multiple times in hopes of getting a different answer, 'cause he doesn't like the answer he got.

A large percentage of my posts, I'd guess over 70%, are simple referrals anybody could do. Go look at this thread, that thread and that thread. Go read this post, go check that website, go get such-and-such a part number (looked up off RockAuto or Napaonline). I do those as a service, because it needs doing, and it's nicer and more inclusive and more efficient than "Go look it up yerself".

Just remember before you buys any rims off of eBay to confirm that the boilt pattern is five on four. THose slotted mags and Cagars came in all bolt patterns, and you will have to get teh seller to confirm what the pattern on the rims is.

Good luck!

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Look at the difference between my post count and your own, I read everyday and absorb. You ask questions everyday

Well, it's not the first forum I've seen where some folks want as little said as possible.

By the way, how much do I absorb?

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While I'm doing this new listening, what should I think about statements that a stock /6 will never need disc brakes? (Oh darn, I must have already listened to that.) Oops, now I've gotta go confess for sarcasm. AND for being poetic and incorrigible.

Thanks

OK, you want to show everybody how much better you are than me?

To the best of my knowledge, the "unilug" wheels never came in a 5 on 4 inch bolt pattern.

Ross,

Do you have the original 7 1/4" axle? I once tried to have one of those redrilled - the machine shop refused to do this, claiming the flange diameter was so small they wouldn't have enough metal left on the outside of a set of holes on a 4 1/2" diameter. I would avoid redrilling.

Author:	RossKinder [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:07 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: ... I think it would be harder for a pressed in stud to pull through the hub than it would be for a threaded in stud to gradually work its way loose. Speaking of rear axles: Part of the rationale for using threaded studs in redrilled axle flanges is that the threaded holes are of smaller diameter than the drilled holes required for the press-in studs. This leaves more metal around the holes. Screw-in studs(Usually socket-head cap screws) have heads to back them and prevent pull-through. When properly installed with stud-grade locktite they are pretty secure. I think the real issue is whether there is enough metal to accomodate the new studs on these axles. On the 7 1/4" axle, you have to work around the existing stud holes, the retainer access hole, and the small OD of the flange itself. Not the best situation. Thanks

Author:	RossKinder [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Dude(Ross),
Quote: Look at the difference between my post count and your own, I read everyday and absorb. You ask questions everyday Well, it's not the first forum I've seen where some folks want as little said as possible. By the way, how much do I absorb? Quote: In your case, switching to Disc Brakes and swapping the rear axle would be a good choice(I would say the best choice). Spending hundreds of dollars on parts you will most likely eventually change out in favor of disc brakes makes no sense to me While I'm doing this new listening, what should I think about statements that a stock /6 will never need disc brakes? (Oh darn, I must have already listened to that.) Oops, now I've gotta go confess for sarcasm. AND for being poetic and incorrigible. Thanks

Author:	RossKinder [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Dude(Ross),
Quote: It's more gritching when a particular individual asks a question multiple times in hopes of getting a different answer, 'cause he doesn't like the answer he got. Usually all you have to do to get a different answer is ask a different person. Then the first person gets really PO'd, because his answer was supposed to be the last word. Last words aren't all they're made out to be. Thanks

Author:	emsvitil [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Original tires..........
Forget the new rims........ Just go here http://www.coker.com/store/customer/sea ... 8&x=10&y=1 and get original size (and type) 13"ers..........

Author:	RossKinder [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Dude(Ross),
Quote: A large percentage of my posts, I'd guess over 70%, are simple referrals anybody could do. Go look at this thread, that thread and that thread. Go read this post, go check that website, go get such-and-such a part number (looked up off RockAuto or Napaonline). I do those as a service, because it needs doing, and it's nicer and more inclusive and more efficient than "Go look it up yerself". OK, you want to show everybody how much better you are than me? It seems it's always the genius that doesn't get it. Like I said, not everybody has a photographic memory like you seem to have. Like I didn't say, not everybody has the particular kind of brain organization that pulls lots of details together into one solution - no matter how many times they have read a thousand bits of data or searched the archive or kept current on the dailies. But you never seem to get that, because it's easy for you. So I'm one real SOB for trying to pull my bits and pieces together with the help those who have perspective I don't have and have built solutions I haven't built. How utterly brazen of me! As for 70% of your posts, is seems to me like you use them less for solutions than for proving people wrong and putting people down - shredding them if possible. Rubber meets the road? Well it ____ well better be YOUR road, right? Your way or the highway, right? Think like you or don't think at all, right? There's always at least one. And it's really too bad they are usually smart enough people just put up with them. E.O.R.

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Author:	Reed [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:29 pm ]
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Just remember before you buys any rims off of eBay to confirm that the boilt pattern is five on four. THose slotted mags and Cagars came in all bolt patterns, and you will have to get teh seller to confirm what the pattern on the rims is. Good luck!

Author:	Charrlie_S [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:00 am ]
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Quote: Just remember before you buys any rims off of eBay to confirm that the boilt pattern is five on four. THose slotted mags and Cagars came in all bolt patterns, and you will have to get teh seller to confirm what the pattern on the rims is. Good luck! To the best of my knowledge, the "unilug" wheels never came in a 5 on 4 inch bolt patternl. Please gentlemen, can we get this topic back on track, and dispense with the personal attacks. Remember it is a lot easier to type nothing, then a rant.

Author:	Matt Cramer [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:27 am ]
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Ross, Do you have the original 7 1/4" axle? I once tried to have one of those redrilled - the machine shop refused to do this, claiming the flange diameter was so small they wouldn't have enough metal left on the outside of a set of holes on a 4 1/2" diameter. I would avoid redrilling.

Author:	dart64rg [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Dude(Ross),
Quote: Quote: Look at the difference between my post count and your own, I read everyday and absorb. You ask questions everyday Well, it's not the first forum I've seen where some folks want as little said as possible. By the way, how much do I absorb? I am not sure how much you absorb. But you have been on here more than a month and still seem to have trouble with using the search function before you ask a simple question. Quote: Quote: In your case, switching to Disc Brakes and swapping the rear axle would be a good choice(I would say the best choice). Spending hundreds of dollars on parts you will most likely eventually change out in favor of disc brakes makes no sense to me While I'm doing this new listening, what should I think about statements that a stock /6 will never need disc brakes? (Oh darn, I must have already listened to that.) Oops, now I've gotta go confess for sarcasm. AND for being poetic and incorrigible. Thanks People make the point, and a valid one that drum brakes are adequate, if not superior to discs in many situations. But if you ever drive in the rain, or ever might go up a mountain and want to come back down again, than disc brakes seem to be the ticket. So again, you can spend 200-500 on spacers, redrilling, or custom wheels now. Or spend the money on disc brakes and a rear axle with 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern and be done.

Author:	SlantSixDan [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Dude(Ross),
Quote: OK, you want to show everybody how much better you are than me? Not really, Ross, no.

Author:	RossKinder [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:03 am ]
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Quote: Just remember before you buys any rims off of eBay to confirm that the boilt pattern is five on four. THose slotted mags and Cagars came in all bolt patterns, and you will have to get teh seller to confirm what the pattern on the rims is. Good luck! Got it. At first I thought that Unilug auction was 5 on 4, but it turned out to be a 4" backset, not a 4" circle. Thanks

Author:	RossKinder [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:45 am ]
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Quote: To the best of my knowledge, the "unilug" wheels never came in a 5 on 4 inch bolt pattern. No offense intended AT ALL, but this is exactly what confuses the heck out of me and exactly why I come back asking the repeated questions so thoroughly despised by those who already know everything. (Yes, I'm getting pretty impatient with the god-complexes in our midst, which complexes and their related intolerant attitudes help absolutely _no one_.) I see conflicting statements - not all that surprising. I go out on the internet trying to find clarifying information. . . And I've actually seen statements here that people should not get their information any place but here. For what it's worth, I chalk that up to misguidedness, not arrogance - as a rule. As for comments that are seemingly "not helpful," believe it or not my comments are all intended to be helpful. Case in point: Us horrible newbies who ask questions instead of searching (actually we _DO_ in fact search until we're blue in the face), don't necessarily know the proper words to search for to find what we need - unlike folks who've known and remembered these words for decades - and if we do remember a word, getting even one letter wrong destroys the effectiveness of the search. Again, I do NOT want this to sound writtten as a put-down aimed at you. You always seem to sound like a voice of reason and I certainly don't want to class you with the smug. It's just that there those of us who work our butts off trying to get puzzling problems solved and we aren't the lazy bums certain others seem to delight in describing us as. Hopefully saying this is useful to others like us. And it apparently is, because I have received PMs thanking me for asking the right questions and saying the right things. (Yes, encouragement instead of know-it-all put-downs. Imagine that coming from non-geniuses!) Thanks

Author:	Reed [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:55 am ]
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I once saw a set of unilugs that was for 5 on 4 to 5 on 4.5. I have only seen one, but they are out there. My point is simply that there are options. I have seen both slotted mags and Cragar SS rims in the small bolt pattern.

Author:	RossKinder [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:12 am ]
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Quote: Ross, Do you have the original 7 1/4" axle? I once tried to have one of those redrilled - the machine shop refused to do this, claiming the flange diameter was so small they wouldn't have enough metal left on the outside of a set of holes on a 4 1/2" diameter. I would avoid redrilling. Yes, I have the original 7 1/4". Maybe all this is why this particular outfit does the drill and tap routine (leaving more steel) instead of a press fit, to get that other 1/4"? Thanks

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Author:	Matt Cramer [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:25 pm ]
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Have they taken a look at your axle, or not? If they have done this job with a similar axle, you might be safe. But they may simply have a standard price for this job and determine when you bring the axle in if the job is actually possible.