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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:41 am 
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I wrote an article once - one of the "cobbled" variations, and it's a little bit different from the one that Reed mentioned. Same rotors, different spindles. I could enlarge it to cover the direct swaps too and send it in.

(Still working on the turbo article, BTW - the first draft is pretty much done.)

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(Still working on the turbo article, BTW - the first draft is pretty much done.)
Lookin' forward to it, Matt! :)

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Is anyone working on the compleat, definitive disc brake conversion article for the archives? The scattered messages are a real task to pull together.
Is anyone working on the compleat, definitive 10 inch front drum brake conversion article for the archives? The scattered messages are a real task to pull together.
There will never be a "compleat" definitive 10 inch front drum brake swap article, because we are not living in the 1600s, which was the last time that word was used as anything but a cutesy affectation. 8)
You're at least 300 years off.
I like older tech.
I'm waiting for them to come out with a rotary-dial cell phone.

1902 Standard drum brakes are invented

Standard drum brakes are invented by Louis Renault. His brakes work by using a cam to force apart two hinged shoes. Drum brakes are improved in many ways over the years, but the basic principle remains in cars for the entire 20th century; even with the advent of disk brakes in the 1970s, drum brakes remain the standard for rear wheels


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There is some stuff on www.bigblockdart.com as well.
Uh, was this in response to my question about discs or sixsignet's question about 10 inch drums?

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You're about 300 years off.
I like older tech.
I'm waiting for them to come out with a rotary-dial cell phone.

1902 Standard drum brakes are invented

Standard drum brakes are invented by Louis Renault. His brakes work by using a cam to force apart two hinged shoes. Drum brakes are improved in many ways over the years, but the basic principle remains in cars for the entire 20th century; even with the advent of disk brakes in the 1970s, drum brakes remain the standard for rear wheels
Please note. I did NOT intend that absurd quote as a putdown to your question! I hope someone serious answers it.


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Is anyone working on the compleat, definitive disc brake conversion article for the archives? The scattered messages are a real task to pull together.
Is anyone working on the compleat, definitive 10 inch front drum brake conversion article for the archives? The scattered messages are a real task to pull together.
There will never be a "compleat" definitive 10 inch front drum brake swap article, because we are not living in the 1600s, which was the last time that word was used as anything but a cutesy affectation. 8)


:lol: :lol: :lol: Sometimes the "PRETENTION" of this site is HARLARIOUS.

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I thought he was making fun of my 10" drum brakes with his 1600 comment.
When I saw the word "compleat" I thought of the classic John Muir book, How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot

I thought it was just a reference to that.


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I thought he was making fun of my 10" drum brakes with his 1600 comment.
When I saw the word "compleat" I thought of the classic John Muir book, How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot

I thought it was just a reference to that.
No, it was merely close to a quote of what Dan replied to my question about a disc article. Let that be a lesson to me and may I never repeat putdowns.

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There is some stuff on www.bigblockdart.com as well.
Uh, was this in response to my question about discs or sixsignet's question about 10 inch drums?

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Disc brake swap question. No one actually has an article explaining how to go to drum brakes.
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Disc brake swap question. No one actually has an article explaining how to go to drum brakes.
Off the top of your head, do you know if there are a lot of messages on the 9" to 10" subject sixsignet was asking about? With the search engine not working reliably on more than one word at a time, personally I wouldn't even know how to search for messages on that subject. At least not with any degree of efficiency at all.

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I did a lot of searches like "10 front drum" and "10 sbp drum", but I still couldn't find some posts I remember reading a few years ago.

It would be a great improvement to .org if there were definitive articles on:

Large Bolt Pattern Disc Upgrade (and rear end swap)

Small Bolt Pattern Disc Upgrade

10" Drum Upgrade

Doing a front end rebuild on a 1960s car is a major undertaking for a do-it-yourselfer. Upgrading the braking system is even more advanced.
Doing both at the same time is terrifying.
A step-by-step guide would have been helpful in my case.

There are some real experienced mechanics/engineers on this site, but maybe they don't recognize how useful these ABC articles could be.
I think it would enhance the site, because newbies could be directed to read the article. The newbie could then base questions on one of these conversion articles.
The experts then would have to deal with fewer dumb questions.
At least it would be easier to direct the newbies back on the right track.

I used Condran's book*, several Internet articles and this site for my 10" drum swap. It was difficult because I had to substitute rare Drum brake data into the common (but often contradictory) Disc brake conversion directions.

I feel I did my best, both when I asked questions here and when I was doing the mechanic work, but the experience and the result both are less than I expected.

Of the 31 articles here, most range between advanced and arcane.
Some low-tech articles on installing a front end kit and modifying the braking system would be great.

*Some have said that the Performance Handling for Classic Mopars book has some wrong information, but I still don't know what parts are wrong.


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I did a lot of searches like "10 front drum" and "10 sbp drum", but I still couldn't find some posts I remember reading a few years ago.
If the search engine happened to be "thinking" OR instead of PHRASE when you made those searches you got a huge number of hits. "10 OR front OR drum" etc. It does that a lot now. I just got 5848 hits on "10 front drum." As my daddy used to say, "That's too much sugar for a penny."
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It would be a great improvement to .org if there were definitive articles on:

Large Bolt Pattern Disc Upgrade (and rear end swap)

Small Bolt Pattern Disc Upgrade

10" Drum Upgrade

Doing a front end rebuild on a 1960s car is a major undertaking for a do-it-yourselfer. Upgrading the braking system is even more advanced.
Doing both at the same time is terrifying.
A step-by-step guide would have been helpful in my case.

There are some real experienced mechanics/engineers on this site, but maybe they don't recognize how useful these ABC articles could be.
I think it would enhance the site, because newbies could be directed to read the article. The newbie could then base questions on one of these conversion articles.
The experts then would have to deal with fewer dumb questions.
At least it would be easier to direct the newbies back on the right track.

I used Condran's book*, several Internet articles and this site for my 10" drum swap. It was difficult because I had to substitute rare Drum brake data into the common (but often contradictory) Disc brake conversion directions.

I feel I did my best, both when I asked questions here and when I was doing the mechanic work, but the experience and the result both are less than I expected.

Of the 31 articles here, most range between advanced and arcane.
Some low-tech articles on installing a front end kit and modifying the braking system would be great.

*Some have said that the Performance Handling for Classic Mopars book has some wrong information, but I still don't know what parts are wrong.
You make an interesting point. Or rather some interesting points. I wonder how often a new article actually appears. If a writer has to read 10,000 messages to put one together, probably one every few years.

Of course the handy one would save the whole site onto his local disk drive and use a decent search tool there. You can use Google to search a site and I often use it here, but altho it will usually find phrases when SIX can't, sometimes it can't find the proverbial nose on your face. It only finds the word "overdrive" 8 times on the whole site.


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At least the plumbing was simple in the 1600's :lol: I do think things are changing too fast to say any article is definitive. I have a nice four wheel disk set up, but my front end has already been bettered by several after market conversions, and my suspension and brakes are only about two years old. Just keep asking questions here, go to car show, and surf the web. You will find out what you need to know.

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At least the plumbing was simple in the 1600's :lol: I do think things are changing too fast to say any article is definitive. I have a nice four wheel disk set up, but my front end has already been bettered by several after market conversions, and my suspension and brakes are only about two years old. Just keep asking questions here, go to car show, and surf the web. You will find out what you need to know.
The proposed articles don't need to be "definitive". That was poor wording. They should just be standard or basic.

I asked front end questions here for a few years before I started my rebuild. I bought the Condran book a couple years ago because it was recommended here.
I still was unprepared.
I think there are other folks like me, who do not do front end rebuilds with great frequency. I have done one FE rebuild, and most likely that will be the only one I will do in my lifetime.


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