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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:43 am ] |
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74 crank. Big spline converter. |
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:27 pm ] |
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The transmission is back from the rebuilder. I will post spec soon. In the meantime, how much fluid will I need to buY to fill the converter (3200 stall) and trans? BTW, they also installed a deep pan. Plan to run this fluid. http://www.a1lubricants.com/amsoil_synthetic_atf.html |
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| Author: | argentina-slantsixer [ Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:26 pm ] |
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I think that a regular 904 with normal pan would take almost 8 liters of fluid. You need to fill the trans with 5 liters or so, bring it to normal operation temp, do the all gears then neutral thing and check level and add fluid accordingly. Do not overfill. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:35 pm ] |
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With my 2 quart extra pan, I was at 10 quarts. I like to fill the converter with a quart or more before installing so it doesn't run dry on first start. I'm with Argentina on this one, don't just dump x quarts in it, start with maybe 2/3 of whats expected and go from there. |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:50 pm ] |
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I always put a quart in the converter and put 6 in the trans. Start and run it on jackstands and go through the whole shift pattern a few times, then into neutral and check it. Don't be too surprised if the wheels are spinning in neutral when the trans is not full. Also, depending on how he ahs it set to shift, you may not feel the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts with it in the air. 
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| Author: | argentina-slantsixer [ Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:45 pm ] |
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even with a high stall converter if your car is lifted and the wheels do not spin in neutral, you might have your rear brakes draggin. 6 quarts sounds good for a deep pan sump assy. Drive it a few blocks before checking on your level. If you don't drive a little bit you're going to have it ovrfilled. |
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:47 pm ] |
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Not much to look at here, but it a picture, and I love pictures of anything. http://tinyurl.com/23k786 The front pump and shaft where change out to the more common larger type which will now match the new 3200 stall convertor I got from Midwest. (ps I am running a 74 crank) The plantaries and directly related gears/drum where installed from a 999 which give me a lower 1st and 2nd gear. I am still a little unsure of the ratio, but the stock ratio was 2.45/1.45/1:1 and the new one is at least 2.75/1.54/1:1 or there abouts. If some one could clear this up for me that would be great. Also because of the drum change we were able to install two more frictions and steels for a total of 5 and the band is wider. The lever that was in there was a 3.2 and it was replaced with a 3.8. The shop had a deep pan lying around and just went ahead and installed it also. Out the door not including torque converter was $850. It sure seems like a very good price to me. |
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:31 pm ] |
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Back to being wounded   Can anyone tell me what this problem sounds like? Installed motor and trans today. Put one quart of fluid in converter and installed on to trans, all the way. (3200 stall) Installed motor and had a 1/4" gap between converter and flex plate. Installed the 4 bolts which pulled the converter up the flex plate. Put in 8 quarts of fluid total. Trans was in Neutral for starting the engine, which took some time. (playing with the distibutor) Final fired up and ran. (2 minuits) Jacked up the rear and I went right on to firing it back up to run it through the gears. Moved selector to drive with foot on brake and there was an alarming grinding/ticking noise. Moved selector right back to Neutral and noise was still there. The noise is even in park and I have varified that the wheels are not still turning. If you put it in Reverse and hold the brake the noise is gone. If you let off the brake the noise comes back. This whole trouble shooting time lasted maybe 5 miniutes. Its just to scary sounding to continue running it. I left a message with Trans shop and will likely be calling AAA to deliver car to them. Any thoughts? |
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| Author: | argentina-slantsixer [ Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:56 pm ] |
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as hidiously obvious as it might sound, did you check the linkage? sometimes when all the rods are loose they tick like that. Did you run it at all with load, not with the rear end in the air? even just droppin N and see if the car wanted to move? |
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:05 pm ] |
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Its not linkage. The wheels turn in the correct direction and it requires the normal brake pressure to stop them. I know that an early torque converter won't even go on to a late trans, but will a late convertor slide on to an early trans? I ask because they were suppost to install a late pump and shaft. Just wondering if they didn't. |
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| Author: | 440_Magnum [ Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:07 pm ] |
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Quote: Back to being wounded
You didn't "pull" the convertor forward with the bolts, did you? It should slide right up against the flexplate just by hooking a finger behind the ring gear and pulling forward. Can anyone tell me what this problem sounds like? Installed motor and trans today. Put one quart of fluid in converter and installed on to trans, all the way. (3200 stall) Installed motor and had a 1/4" gap between converter and flex plate. Installed the 4 bolts which pulled the converter up the flex plate. Put in 8 quarts of fluid total. Any thoughts? Aside from that, with a STOCK pan and converter that would be at around a quart low. With you deep pan, you're probably 2-3 quarts low. Could just need more fluid to get everything to fully engage. You're safest starting and running it in NEUTRAL until the fluid gets circulated everywhere, because that will allow the transmission to "drag" the driveshaft along a little if the clutch packs are still dry (they *should* have been assembled after soaking in fluid, but they won't really be ready to run until the pump circulates fluid through the clutch packs a while). |
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:15 pm ] |
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Quote:
You didn't "pull" the convertor forward with the bolts, did you? It should slide right up against the flexplate just by hooking a finger behind the ring gear and pulling forward.
Not really. It would have slid forward if I grab it.I have a total of 10 quarts in it and it read a little to full On the stick. |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:11 pm ] |
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Quote: Its not linkage. The wheels turn in the correct direction and it requires the normal brake pressure to stop them.
If you had the early input shaft with a late converter you wouldn't have any drive because the input splines wouldn't be touching the turbine splines. The pump is still driven by the converter in this case.
I know that an early torque converter won't even go on to a late trans, but will a late convertor slide on to an early trans? I ask because they were suppost to install a late pump and shaft. Just wondering if they didn't. |
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:38 am ] |
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Trans guy says its the converter. 
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| Author: | argentina-slantsixer [ Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:15 am ] |
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aside from the noise, do you hear/feel any other maladities? I think that a trans guy or a converter shop wouldn't be able to tell if you drive around your block... and that might help loading all the circuits. Probably with the high stall the converter would not get fully loaded unless it spins a little harder? |
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