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| Author: | dakight [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:35 pm ] |
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Quote: Yup. Driving a 4 wheel drum equipped car like were talking about, should,
What Driver's Ed? Schools in places I've lived recently have cut such programs from their curricula. Personally I think a semester of safety education and another of behind the wheel instruction should be mandantory for graduation and a prerequisite to obtaining a driver's license before age 18, but it ain't going to happen.
like driving a manual trans, ought to be included in Drivers ED these days; not to say that every kid out there will want an older car or one with a stick shift but its like starting out their Auto Shop ignition chapter with understanding points and condenser then building off of that. It falls under the "You might never have to, but just in case, at least you ve seen/experienced it" category. |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:23 pm ] |
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I personally think that new cars are too EASY to drive - power everything and so quiet. People forget they are manipulating 3000lbs of hard material around the roads! Lou |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:43 pm ] |
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...and with ever-more-ridiculous amounts of horsepower. There's a time and a place and a purpose for fast cars, for sure, but nobody needs 200 horsepower to commute to work or go to the grocery or take the kids to karate. Let alone 250 or 300 or 375. I live in a city infested with bad drivers. It all began with the first wave of taxi drivers from countries where there are no traffic rules and cars share the roads with assorted pack animals. Those cabbies drove as if they were back in Stanstanistan, and so everybody else had to drive the same way or else be run off the road. I've long thought that what we need is taxicabs with adequate but slow acceleration, manual transmissions, slow-ratio steering, and adequate brakes. Cars that would force the driver to hang up the celphone, be thoughtful, plan ahead, and be considerate of everyone else on the road. Anyone else here ever experienced the cabs they use in England? They're smaller than a Civic on the outside, bigger than a Caprice on the inside, get amazing fuel mileage, and have such a small turning radius they practically pivot about their own vertical axis. And yet we're still dumb enough to be using V8 Clown Victorias as taxicabs. |
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| Author: | tophat [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:20 pm ] |
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Quote: I personally think that new cars are too EASY to drive - power everything and so quiet. People forget they are manipulating 3000lbs of hard material around the roads!
I could not agree moreLou Safe is a relative thing. Just because you or someone lived through it don't mean it is safe. I drove a 66 VW microbus with NO brakes, just the E brake for about 6 months in the mid 90's in south Florida. Anyone care to call that safe? Well I lived through it, with only 1 very minor accident that caused no damage. In the early 90's I drove a 79 Buick Regal on just an E brake. I even wired up the E brake pedal release so it worked like a brake pedal. Never wrecked that one. I have had several choppers with only a rear drum brake, no front at all. I'm still here. The point I am making is "safety" is all about risk management. I think most would agree that driving with disks is less of a risk then driving with 4 wheel drums, all other things being equal. Is not converting the car over to disks to save a few bucks worth the added risk to your child? Only you can answer that question. TopHat |
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:10 pm ] |
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Quote: I drove a 66 VW microbus with NO brakes, just the E brake for about 6 months in the mid 90's in south Florida. Anyone care to call that safe? Well I lived through it, with only 1 very minor accident that caused no damage. In the early 90's I drove a 79 Buick Regal on just an E brake. I even wired up the E brake pedal release so it worked like a brake pedal. Never wrecked that one. I have had several choppers with only a rear drum brake, no front at all. I'm still here. The point I am making is "safety" is all about risk management. TopHat |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:11 pm ] |
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Risk management: Right on target! That's what driving is, an endless stream of real-time risk management. There is also risk homeostasis, the very probable theory that we each and all have a fixed level of acceptable risk, and we maintain it in whatever situation we're placed. Read the linked article, it's interesting. |
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| Author: | BigBlockBanjo [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:20 pm ] |
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I daily drive a 9" drum Dart, and it performs fine. It's not a road-racer by any means, but it works. If the engine had any more power, it would probably get disc brakes. I once knew a girl that drove a 64 Rustang, all manual drum brake car. The only thing 'power' on the car was the 289. And she drove it everywhere! (she was a little gal, too). The only downside was, she got a good exercise whenever she drove it! So if I had a daughter, I wouldn't worry about it. As long as she's responsible, and understands what she's piloting, it's all good. I personally think it's cool that she doesn't mind driving a vintage auto. Good Luck! |
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| Author: | tophat [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:29 am ] |
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Dan, that was a very interesting article. TopHat |
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:50 am ] |
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I have had 9 inch brakes on most of my "A" body drag cars. They stop fine from the upper 90 mph range ONCE, but don't try it twice without a cool down. |
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| Author: | Slanted Opinion [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:58 am ] |
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Quote: The main reason, I am an advocate of MV safety inspection, in all states, and Florida in particular.
Inspections are a joke here in the Boston area.If it has lights and a horn (and passes emissions, which my '68 is exempt from) it will pass inspection. No ball joint check. No tie-rod check. No brake check. $30... to see if your lights work. I know some states check the front end... I wish MA did. I feel bad for all those people out there riding around with dangerous, ready to fail suspension pieces, and will never know it until it happens. -Mac |
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| Author: | sandy in BC [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:14 pm ] |
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First off....10"drums are have far more swept area than 9". The have more mass ,,,so are less likely to fade as soon. I understand a slow driver in Ohio may find 9"brakes adequate...... |
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| Author: | northeast scamp [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:47 am ] |
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SSDan: Stanstanistan, I'm still laughing from that comment, thanks because I needed a laugh! Charlie: I moved to South Florida a couple of years ago and am appalled at what I see rolling down the road here. The worst thing is that I bet 75% or more of the accidents down here are caused by grossly unsafe cars having major mechanical failures causing pile ups (I’m talking about cars literally falling apart, wheels, driveshafts, body panels, etc..). And as you know this is a daily occurrence down here in West Palm Beach/Fort Lauderdale. By the way I've done about 20k on my 72 Scamps 9" drums. They do the job but gotta be reasonable about what I ask them TO do. My wife drives is often and has not had a problem. Todd |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:14 am ] |
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Quote: SSDan: Stanstanistan, I'm still laughing from that comment, thanks because I needed a laugh!
Glad to help, but it's not mine. I think I stole it from Dave Barry.Quote: By the way I've done about 20k on my 72 Scamps 9" drums. They do the job but gotta be reasonable about what I ask them TO do.
Exactly. The 9" brakes were OK for the first '60-'62 A-bodies, but Chrysler's having put them on much bigger and heavier later A-bodies was just not a good idea except from the beancounters' point of view.
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:31 am ] |
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Quote: Charlie: I moved to South Florida a couple of years ago and am appalled at what I see rolling down the road here. The worst thing is that I bet 75% or more of the accidents down here are caused by grossly unsafe cars having major mechanical failures causing pile ups (I’m talking about cars literally falling apart, wheels, driveshafts, body panels, etc..). And as you know this is a daily occurrence down here in West Palm Beach/Fort Lauderdale. Todd |
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| Author: | bluedart73 [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:48 am ] |
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My 2 cents, is i drove my 73 Dart with the Drums but when it was time for my son to use it as a new driver i put the MP discs in it. It is a different world then when most of us learned to drive on less congested roads with overall slower moving cars driven by people who seemed to care a little more. Now we have to contend with 6,000 lb SUV driven by people who aren't paying attention and can't even see over the hood at times. I looked at what i was spending money on and made the brakes a priority. For better or worse our experiences with driving and fixing up old cars is over. at least in Jersey where i am. P.S. A year later i am the only driver of the dart. He got stuck once at night (bad ballast) and never got in again. |
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