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| Author: | Dart270 [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:50 am ] |
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We have talked about 2 classes forever, but have never had enough cars of both types. Pittsburgh is a "difficult" track - ugh. I would be most happy if the tracks would just turn it on/off on each pass, depending on what people wrote on their windows. Lou |
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| Author: | CARS [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:31 am ] |
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Going off of memory, but I think that the tracks around here want you to put a "N" with a "/" through it on your car if you want the cross talk turned off. I'm still trying to figure out the advantage of watching other peoples bulbs and etc.... someone needs to record Lou's lessons and post them for all of us. |
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| Author: | fzmax [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:33 am ] |
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Well, the slower cars can't have electronics as they are typically not allowed in slower classes, so it's an unfair advantage to let anyone run them. That said, I understand that guys that rely on electronics to do their driving wouldn't stand much of a chance against someone driving a slow car that leaves soft <insert smiley face poking a stick here>, especially guys like me with a clutch pedal and no recent experience at the track. |
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| Author: | bmimken [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:01 pm ] |
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I think Lou has touched on the real issue with crosstalk. At most tracks I have been to either the track personnel don't care, or are not competent enough, to run crosstalk and give racers the option of turning it off for their run. Several times tracks have done this, only to mess it up at some point. Tracks don't seem to like to have to rerun races, as well as racers for that matter. The going trend at tracks seems to be to either run crosstalk for the entire class, or not to run it at all. From my point of view, the tracks' incompetence or unwillingness to run crosstalk has caused the racers to deal with it. Let's not turn on each other. I would hate to hear about ANY racers not going to certain tracks because of the crosstalk issue. Brian |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:28 pm ] |
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Joliet will turn off the Crosstalk if you put the N in your window. I don't think 41 has it. Crosstalk was developed so tracks could run a blinded tree, and the fast guys could still cross over. Crossing over is letting go of the button when you see the other guys light. Most guys with boxes can also "double hit", leave on your light and theirs too, the box will decide which light was faster and leave accordingly. If one was green and one was red, the car will go red, the box cannot differentiate. Is a box an advantage? Yes and no. IF you are good with a box then it is, but if you suck footbraking, you'll still suck with a box usually. Bottom line is you still have to react to the light. Miss it you are still red or late. The box is an electronic device, so it can be just one more thing to go wrong. I have won rounds when boxes weren't set right, or wouldn't release the brake. |
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| Author: | Ron H. [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:25 pm ] |
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Dennis is right the box can help you or it can hurt you. It has no concience. We ran cross talk in slant 6 years ago at tracks that would cancel it on any given run if a car had the correct marking on the windshield. We havnt run in a few years because most tracks either dont want to do that or dont have the expertiece to. Everyone agrees when two footbrakers run with crosstalk on It is a real disadvantage for the faster car. So that is why we stopped using it. I have had a box for over ten years because my car is fast enough to run super pro at the local track and it certainly dont guarantee me a win over a box car or a footbraker. I have my share of bad lights off the button same as others do footbraking. If you look at the race results over the last few years you will see the wins are pretty equally divided. My thoughts are we dont have a problem the way it is. |
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| Author: | DusterIdiot [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:27 pm ] |
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What is this footbraking thing? I thought when you stage you just keep one on the clutch and the other on the gas, until you see some yellows in your lane ... what are these things you call "brakes"?!?!?!  -D.Idiot Now that I come to think about it, I don't think any of my demo derby cars ever had brakes either...  
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| Author: | fzmax [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:27 pm ] |
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Quote: Everyone agrees
If that was the case this wouldn't have been brought up. I'm a newcomer to this race and I'll be at Hagarstown because I've already paid for it. But if I thought I'd be racing against cars with electronics I wouldn't have bothered going to race.
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:25 pm ] |
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Quote: But if I thought I'd be racing against cars with electronics I wouldn't have bothered going to race.
If that's the way you think, you've already beaten yourself. 
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:34 am ] |
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Quote: Quote: Everyone agrees
If that was the case this wouldn't have been brought up. I'm a newcomer to this race and I'll be at Hagarstown because I've already paid for it. But if I thought I'd be racing against cars with electronics I wouldn't have bothered going to race.I don't like the box, and will never put one in my car, but untill the day comes, when we have enough cars show up for a meet, that we can have two classes, I don't have a problem with running against the box cars. For me, Slant Six racing is more about the social function, then the race itself. Yes, it would be nice to win, but even if I did, the purse would probably not cover the expenses of going. PS: I was at Hagerstown in May. If it was about money, I would not have gone. It was about a 2,000 mile trip, and $700-$800. I met a lot of new racers, and made some new friends. I would love to go next week, but the money just isn't there, even though my wife is doing much better. |
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| Author: | sandy in BC [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:52 am ] |
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You dont need a box to meet cool folks. I have yet to show at a slant race with anything other than a Buick. I made more ground with a box o beer............. |
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| Author: | fzmax [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:32 am ] |
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Hopefully no one got the wrong idea. There was no stick-poking emoticon available for my post above. That said, when you're running a box against my car you need to stage, watch the tree, then let go of a button. I have to stage, hope the car doesn't roll out of the beams, hold the RPM steady, watch the tree, let the clutch out at the right rate at the right time, push the throttle open (again at the right rate at the right time) and then shift three times at the right time and not miss any gears. I'll never have your car in my sight and all I can do is keep it boarded and hope to run my number. It's crazy to say a faster car with a box has any disadvantage. And before anyone says, "Why don't you put an automatic in it?", ask yourself why don't you just run a V8? We have a list of racers, why not just vote on running a box or not? |
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| Author: | CARS [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:23 am ] |
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One thing that keeps popping up in my head is that this is slant six racing. I thought the only rule was that it had to have a slant six. It could be a gutted, plastic toad. A completely stock ride. A rail. Etc. AS LONG AS IT HAS A /6! So, run what you brung. Box, no box. Just line 'em up!!! |
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| Author: | fzmax [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:57 am ] |
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Quote: So, run what you brung. Box, no box. Just line 'em up!!!
Refer to the first sentence in the first post. No foot brake racers were complaining.
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| Author: | sergio G [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:01 pm ] |
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Actually,this post is /was not about the use of the box.Seymour is apparently having an issue with the long wait against slow cars which really is a different issue ,he will have the same problem if he removes the box.I dont know of anyone in the west that has a box in a sl6 car and i dont care. Most slant racers are occasional racers and although many are very talented and experienced racers familiar with how to win in bracket racing, the lack of seat time prevents anyone from dominating.I would only object to a box if a guy who lets say is a competitive divisional and national event racer jumps in with a serious effort to win . A guy like that would easily win 90% of his rounds. |
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