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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:00 am 
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Interesting. It was the 73 trans from your Satellite. Maybe I am remembering which one had the kickdown wrong. I know only one of them did though. Maybe it was the 73 that had it but the 78 and 83 didn't. Too much water under the bridge to remember accurately.

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I've seen plenty of weird things with parts interchanging. V-8 904s and all 727s changed to a different valve body in 1971,but the S/6 904s used the 68-70 style of VB untill at least 1976! And it seems Chrysler was out to get 0.1 MPG better fuel economy regardless of drivablity complants. It defies logic why they would ommit the PTK right in the middle of 2.2 gears, and 20-25 MPH lock-up converters, but they did.

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I wrote to Pat Blais about the early A904 PTKD and he gave me the following reply:
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Frank, I'm not a member of the Slant 6 group, however I receive technical inquiries from members quite often. I'll address your question, however with an e-mail address I could forward a picture of the Torqueflite upper valve body casting showing the necessary factory feed-port location to actuate the part-throttle downshift accessory.

Installing either of the 2 OEM part-throttle accessories onto the 1960-66 Torqueflite valve bodies can be done in 2 ways. Easiest method is to obtain a 1967 (preferable) or 1968 upper valve body casting and simply mate it to the 1960-65 or 1966 lower casting & separator plate. The 1967 casting allows installation of the front pump check valve; the 1968 casting does not. My experience has been that the Torqueflite will operate properly and dependably without the front pump check valve in this case.

To install the part-throttle accessory onto an original 1960-66 upper valve body casting it is easiest to use the 1971+ part-throttle version. The first step is to locate the necessary internal passage in order to access it to obtain the actuating pressure for the part-throttle installation. Once located the internal passage can be accessed externally by "step-drilling" part way into the passage with a 3/16" drill bit modified to a blunt tip and re-sharpened.

The 1971+ part-throttle valve body accessory will also need to be "step-drilled" on the topside to accept a 3/16" tube configured to join it with the new port in the upper casting. Once both new holes are drilled it is a simple matter to fabricate the 3/16" tubing to connect the 2 new ports.

I generally also fabricate a piece of light sheet metal to serve as a clamp to secure the tubing from dislodging from either port. A sealer can be applied to each end of the tubing, however if the fit is tight between tubing and the 2 new holes the P/T should work even with a slight bit of leakage.
He followed up with the following email when I asked for the photo:
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Attached photo [below] points out the location of the 1967+ OEM feed-port for the part-throttle kickdown accessory. The area behind the upper, rear point of the upper arrow is where a hole would be step-drilled from above into the upper casting to obtain the correct fluid passage on a 1960-66 valve body to actuate the part-throttle accessory. I can get a photo of the location if you’d like.

Offering and dispensing technical information accumulated over the last 40+ years has become a larger part of my time. My local Torqueflite business takes up quite a bit of the day as does the eBay Store and answering tech questions for hobbyists. To that end I’ve not been active with any of the hobbyist groups as the 24-hour day only allows a finite amount of time for a myriad of activities.

People are welcome to contact me if I can be of help or assistance. You are welcome to pass along any info I provide as sharing information is a service I believe is important to all interested parties.

Thanks; let me know if I can be of further assistance with parts or information.

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seems Chrysler was out to get 0.1 MPG better fuel economy regardless of drivablity complants.
PTK does not worsen driveability or fuel economy, it improves both.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:52 am 
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I’m in the final process of preparing the P/T kits and installation information to add the part-throttle kickdown accessory to the 1960-66 valve bodies. Attached pictures [below] show the location of the hole drilled into the upper casting to access an external source of fluid to actuate the P/T. Kits should be ready for market in a week or so.

Thanks; let me know if I can be of further assistance with parts or information.

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60-65 upper casting - exterior drilled - PT
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60-65 upper casting - interior view - drilled - PT
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:50 pm 
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I asked Pat about available PTKD kits:
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Until I finish the kits for the 1960-66 valve bodies I have just the 2 OEM part-throttle types on the Store, applicable to 1967 & later. The simple early type was originated in 1967 on the Slant 6 904 and continued in many of those applications up into the 1970’s. The more complex type was originated in 1971 on many models except high-performance.

Hope to have the new kits for the early years available later this week or the first of next week; waiting for some tooling.

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I'm excited. 8)

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See enclosed articles concerning PTK
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The stuff in red was a change for the 1974 model year. Part Throttle Kickdown [ 6 cylinder ] The six cylinder and simca valve body part throttle 3-2 kickdown feature was changed to provide additional sensitivity in relation to carburetor opening. This was accomplished by rerouting valve body throttle pressure to the 2-3 shift valve and by eliminating the part throttle plug and adding a steel plate.This also eliminated the part throttle limit valve and spring on the simca.


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I'm still excited. 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:26 pm 
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Thanks matv91, that info answers a few questions.

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Also I have several '67 VBs with PTKs if thats all thats needed for pre-66 trans. Bear in mind I don't work on the earlier trans, and don't know if other pieces are needed

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From Torque Flite Transmission Field service information 1980 thru 1982. 1981 Model year changes. Valve Body Assemblies A-904 and A-727 Part throttle 3-2 kickdown limits were increased by either increasing load of limit valve spring or by eliminating the limit body. Elimination of the limit body required changes to the steel plates and transfer plates.


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