Slant Six Forum :: Suggested changes to racing rules

The existing rules do not allow racers, not present on the premises of the track on the date of the rainout, to compete in the makeup event.

That makes the third event at Samoa a fixed ladder of those who were present at Redding.

If a race is postponed and rescheduled for the next day or another weekend, points will still be awarded but only to those racers that actually line up for the first round of the rescheduled race. In these cases a new first round ladder including only the participants present will be drawn up.

I will try to interpret this rule the best I can. It was developed when the Saturday race at Wilkesboro one year got rained out and was run on Sunday. Back then the custom was to put everybody on the ladder that was in the pits even if they couldn't make the first round, that generated more bye runs and points but the track personnel didn't like it. Several of the cars that were there Saturday didn't return so there would have been an unacceptably large number of bye runs on Sunday. Therefore it was decided that only the cars that returned on Sunday plus any new entrants would be put on the ladder. So you wouldn't have had to be there on Saturday to race for points on Sunday.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:59 pm ]
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Quote: The existing rules do not allow racers, not present on the premises of the track on the date of the rainout, to compete in the makeup event. That makes the third event at Samoa a fixed ladder of those who were present at Redding. I don't read it that way at all. Here is what the rule says. Then Seymours explanation after it. Quote: If a race is postponed and rescheduled for the next day or another weekend, points will still be awarded but only to those racers that actually line up for the first round of the rescheduled race. In these cases a new first round ladder including only the participants present will be drawn up. That means those who are present at the re-scheduled race including new racers. Not those who were at the rain-out. Seymour's Explanation: Quote: I will try to interpret this rule the best I can. It was developed when the Saturday race at Wilkesboro one year got rained out and was run on Sunday. Back then the custom was to put everybody on the ladder that was in the pits even if they couldn't make the first round, that generated more bye runs and points but the track personnel didn't like it. Several of the cars that were there Saturday didn't return so there would have been an unacceptably large number of bye runs on Sunday. Therefore it was decided that only the cars that returned on Sunday plus any new entrants would be put on the ladder. So you wouldn't have had to be there on Saturday to race for points on Sunday. Seymour's explanation tells us what happened and what they did to fix it. Anyone can run the re-scheduled race. A new ladder with returning racers from the rain out and new drivers is to be made up. Basically for you guys at Samoa, it is just a third race and anyone can run. I also agree that this is going to get more and more confusing as we discuss all these little variations. I think we need to settle the 2 things that are pressing for this weekend and then address all the other rules changes at the end of the race season. That is just my take on it. Keep posting things we need to discuss by all means. But we are going to be racing in 5 days and we need to know: #1) Who can run in the rescheduled race at Samoa. ( I think Seymour knows what was intended by the rule and we should follow that intent) #2) Does everyone get added to the ladder if they make a Slant 6 time run, even if they break and can't run? ( The rules say yes, so I believe we should do this until the season is over) If there are other rules that will affect the racing this weekend then we need to discuss those as well. One thing that I think would be a great help would be if the current rules could be typed up in Word or something, double spaced, and then type in the changes in a different color, directly under the rule it replaces, so that we could all see the changes in the same document. I think that would help.

Author:	Bruce Pine [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:40 pm ]
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I agree with all that Rick has suggested. The key word on these issues is INTENT. I believe the intent of our group is to always make our races as available as possible to as many as possible.

Author:	ceej [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:52 pm ]
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From what the rule says, anyone who makes the time run(s) and is on the ladder would remain on the ladder. The only consideration would be when a racer specifically states they do not want to be on the ladder. This has come up before out here. The wishes were honored in that case. We need some more input about the rule for the makeup race. There is time to go before the Samoa race, so folks should read the rule as written. You then need to come to consensus on how to clarify the language. It's great that Seymore has his opinion about the intent. That carries weight. His opinion is valued. If the Rules do not clearly state the intent, then the words need to be adjusted until they do so. I will post them once you decide what they need to say. CJ

Author:	ceej [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:40 pm ]
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The clarification would be to remove Rescheduled and replace it with Make-up, if that was the intent. As it is now: If a race is postponed and rescheduled for the next day or another weekend, points will still be awarded but only to those racers that actually line up for the first round of the rescheduled race. In these cases a new first round ladder including only the participants present will be drawn up. As it would read: If a race is postponed and rescheduled for the next day or another weekend, points will still be awarded but only to those racers that actually line up for the first round of the Make-up race. In these cases a new first round ladder including only the participants present will be drawn up. The "Rescheduled" race refers to the rainout. CJ

Author:	Fopar [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:18 am ]
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"As it would read: If a race is postponed and rescheduled for the next day or another weekend, points will still be awarded but only to those previous racers that actually line up for the first round of the Make-up race. In these cases a new first round ladder including only the previous participants present will be drawn up. The "Rescheduled" race refers to the rainout." I beleive this is what was intended. Richard

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Author:	Rick Covalt [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:57 am ]
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Quote: The only consideration would be when a racer specifically states they do not want to be on the ladder. This has come up before out here. The wishes were honored in that case. Is there a reason that they should not be put on the ladder? If they don't want to run then they don't have to, but the rules state that if they make a time run they get added to the ladder. Rick

Author:	ceej [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:04 pm ]
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The specific instance was a racer that was running the inliner that day, but not the slant six. The track combines the time trials for these classes. If the racer does not intend to race in a given class, and circumstances of this sort exist, is it appropriate to add them to that class ladder? Here we are talking about intent as well. CJ

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:39 pm ]
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It would seem like if a person knew he was running inliner, and not the Slant 6 class, and that was communicated to the race coordinator before the time trials, that he should not be included on the Slant 6 ladder. That's another unique circumstance. Seems like there are quite a few of those.. Rick PS. It would also be an indication that he should not be on the ladder if he did not sign up to race in that class. My opinion.

Author:	Fopar [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:19 pm ]
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At the track you are put into inline/flathead class (they don't have slant six class) but have slant six race 1st day with both a slant six race and a inline/flathead race on 2nd day. Richard

Author:	Exner Geek [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:03 pm ]
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If you only put cars that have made a time trial on the ladder what happens to a guy who either shows up late or can't make a time trial but wants to, and is capable of racing?

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:36 am ]
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Quote: what happens to a guy who either shows up late or can't make a time trial but wants to, and is capable of racing? We had a guy come to race last month that got there right before the races started. He did not get any time runs but was still added to the ladder. Before he arrived, we had 12 cars and no bye run. Since he arrived after the ladder was drawn, I did not think he should get the bye. So the last person drawn in our ladder dropped down and had a bye run.(That is our normal procedure. Last person pulled gets the bye ) And the late comer had to race another driver. That way we did not have to pull a whole new ladder.

Author:	ceej [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:34 am ]
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That sounds like the right way to do it. CJ

Author:	Bruce Pine [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:44 am ]
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A last minute additional racer MAY (depending on the # of racers) require rewriting the entire ladder when using the Sportsman Ladder as the West does. It does not mean redrawing names, just a possible new pairing order if the newcomer is added as the last name drawn. It can be done, but would be a last minute rush to get the track tower informed. I think it is worth the extra effort to include all who show-up in our races.

Author:	ceej [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Here are the re-written rules

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