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Theres been a couple links posted in a thread that I started about a week ago titled "timing chain?".... matv91 posted them, doesnt get specific on what spring/rod/jet combos came in wich vehicles (im assuming because the variations could be endless depending on climate, elevation, vehicle weight, gearing, trans, etc...) but does list sizes and numbers...

Also due to the differences in fuel today vs fuels of yesterday, experimenting with different combos may be very useful rather than try to mimick what chrysler did 30+ years ago...

He helped me realize that my carb (reman with out a tag) is a 78-79 with a set up for a manual trans cars, but with a heavier spring under the step-up piston and accel pump the carb now responds very well to my wagon with an auto trans and tall gears... Just food for thought!

That 8137s carb looks ok for 1/2 ton stick or auto.METERING ROD 75-2228 a little bit richer than the truck ones. 61-226 vacuum piston spring{THATS THE STUPID LITTLE SPRING} are the same. MAIN JET 120-386 {.086}the same. 118-362s venturi cover assembly{ thats the idle fuel feed and main system air bleed} are the same. Trucks for 1978 got 101-639 venturi cluster screw. Cars got 101-569 and in 79 the trucks got 101-569.Venturi cluster screws came in many different part numbers. Carter never printed the actual sizes just the part numbers. I have measured some of them. The cluster screws contain the the first idle air bleed and the economiser idle down channel restricter. 101-639 air .067 restrictor .055 101-569 air .059 restrictor also .059 So I think the better one is 101-569 . .059 lets less air in so the mix is richer and .059 is more open to down channel flow.

http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Carbs/Carter/Chrysler/1965-1979/index.html This should have it

Author:	Reed [ Wed May 07, 2014 4:35 pm ]
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Huh, I haven't needed to get that in depth to a BBD for a long time, so I haven't seen that bfore. The Carter Carb Manuals link works fine for me. It links to a zip file that automatically begins downloading.

Author:	matv91 [ Wed May 07, 2014 5:14 pm ]
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A 5/16 drill bit from the top will fall right down between the center venturi and carb wall on v8 1-3/16 venturi carbs, will not fit threw on small venturi 1-1/16 slant carbs. On small carbs a 1/4 drill will just barely pass threw. A word of caution starting 1978 318 v8s got smaller venturi 1-1/16 carbs. Casting number 0-2543 and 0-2681 are slant carbs. I looked at several of them. The choke linkage looks right. 8137s is 1978 sedan 3500# weight class auto for 225.

Author:	matv91 [ Thu May 08, 2014 7:15 pm ]
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Try this one http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Carbs/Cart ... index.html

Author:	1930 [ Fri May 09, 2014 3:28 am ]
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Quote: Theres been a couple links posted in a thread that I started about a week ago titled "timing chain?".... matv91 posted them, doesnt get specific on what spring/rod/jet combos came in wich vehicles (im assuming because the variations could be endless depending on climate, elevation, vehicle weight, gearing, trans, etc...) but does list sizes and numbers... Also due to the differences in fuel today vs fuels of yesterday, experimenting with different combos may be very useful rather than try to mimick what chrysler did 30+ years ago... He helped me realize that my carb (reman with out a tag) is a 78-79 with a set up for a manual trans cars, but with a heavier spring under the step-up piston and accel pump the carb now responds very well to my wagon with an auto trans and tall gears... Just food for thought! I read the post you had a week or so ago and yes the spring ( that stupid little spring ) made a world of difference. After reading that I decided that I needed to set-up my carb correctly, that means finding out how it would have been set up specifically when it was new for that SPECIFIC application. That is the info I am trying to get now. I am trying to find out if a factory service manual for say 1978 Volare, Lebaron, Diplomat or Aspen would give that information. I have asked for help with a FSM on another forum to see if the info exists. If it did than maybe I can find the same FSM for ( just as an instance ) 19?? Full size Dodge truck ( like my own ) and use the same items in my Carter re-build. People have told me not to bother, some that I am wasting my time. I disagree. How could it be a waste of time. Excessive maybe but look at that little spring in your own carb?? I dont think excessive. Maybe the info is not avail. If thats the case than I will just take the easy way out and throw a Napa re-build kit in it. I say take the easy way out but in fact I have ZERO experience with re-building this carb and so it will not be easy for me. I am thinking of it this way.....if it were 1978 and I could go to dealer and order and carb I wanted but I owned a 1978 full size Dodge truck than would I order a carb for a 1978 Aspen? Of course not, their are differences in internal calibrations. Why do it twice now with switching out parts after its re-built and paying with it. Maybe thats my only option at this point but I have to at least give it my best to try and find the ideal set-up now.

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 7:37 am ]
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This is data for 8137s PART NO. PART NAME PART NO. PART NAME 1A-403 Flange gasket 101-713A Bowl cover screw assembly (8173,74) (2) 2-321 Throttle valve (2) 101-714 Dust cover screw 3-1970S Throttle shaft & lever assembly (8136,73) 101-726 Throttle valve screw (4) 3-1972S Throttle shaft & lever assembly (8137,74,77, 8217,18) 103-14 Lead shot 7-341 Choke valve 103-15 Lead shot (2) 14-993S Choke lever & shaft assembly 105A-51 Dashpot lock nut (8173,74) 14-1045 Choke lever 105A-60 Dashpot lock nut (8136) 20-203 Needle seat gasket 111-120 Pump arm (8136,37) 21-235A Float assembly 111-126 Metering rod arm 24-23 Float pin 111-165 Pump arm (8173,74,77, 8217,18) 25-1003S Needle & seat assembly 113-220S Pump & metering rod countershaft assembly 30A-223 Idle mixture screw (2) 115-538 Choke connector rod 51-96 Throttle shaft collar 115-546 Throttle connector rod 61-58 Idle & fast idle speed screw spring (2) 115-560 Fast idle connector rod 61-205 Vacuum piston spring (8177, 8218) 116-13 Pump discharge check ball 61-226 Vacuum piston spring (8136,37,73,74, 8217) 116-18 Pump intake check ball 61-451 Pump spring 117-217 Pump link 61-873 Idle mixture screw spring (2) 118-343 Dust cover 61-1024 Throttle return spring 118-362S Venturi cover assembly 63.238 Float pin retainer 120.386 Main metering jet (.086) (2) 63-336 Retainer (2) 121-753 Venturi housing gasket 64-463S Pump plunger & rod assembly "121-759 Dust cover gasket 75-2216 Metering rod (.0675 x .057) (8136) (2) 121-760 Body gasket 75-2228 Metering rod (.0665 x .056) (8137,77, 8217,18) . (2) 121-801 Venturi cover gasket 75-2261 Metering rod (.0675 x .055) (8173,74) (2) 121-805 Body flange gasket *96-40 Idle mixture screw limiter cap (8177, 8217,18) . . (2) 136-326 Pump & metering rod arm washer (2) 101-296 Fast idle speed screw 145-303 Choke diaphragm hose 101-307S Air horn screw assembly (4) 160-341S Vacuum piston assembly 101-428 Choke diaphragm bracket screw (2) 164-39 Grommet seal (8136,37,77) 101-521S Bowl cover screw assembly (8136) 170-1331S Thermostatic coil, housing & rod assembly 101-544A Body screw assembly (2) 180-144 Dashpot bracket (8136) 101-563 Idle speed screw 180-296 Solenoid bracket (8173,74) 101-565 Fast idle cam screw 181-488 Fast idle cam (8136,73) 101.569 Venturi cluster screw (8136,37,73,77, 8217,18) . (2) 181-489 Fast idle cam (8137,74,77, 8217,18) 101-579 Venturi cluster screw (8174) (2) 186.149 Fuel bowl baffle 101-596 Choke valve screw (2) 202-462A Dashpot assembly (8136) 101-634 Choke lever screw 202-591S Choke diaphragm & bracket assembly 101-680A Body flange screw assembly (2) 213-90A Solenoid assembly (8173,74) 101-707 Pump & metering rod arm screw (2)

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Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 7:49 am ]
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Well above did not work just right,my first time trying that ,ignore smile faces. My computer skills are very bad. Tried to copy and paste.

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 8:26 am ]
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DECEMBER, 1977 Revised April, 1978 1978 "6" DODGE W. - PLYMOUTH, R ASPEN N VOLARE H DIPLOMAT G LEBARON F BBD DUAL DOWN-DRAFT CLIMATIC CONTROL CARBURETOR NOS. 8136S - 8137S - 8173S - 8174S - 8177S - 8217S - 8218S MODEL ENG. DISPL. C.F.M. ORIGINAL CARB. ZIP KIT NO. H, N, F, G, R, VV M/T 225-2 220 8136S 902-325A H, N, F, G, R, W, (3500 lbs.) A/T 225.2 220 8137S 902-325A Mexico M/T 225-2 220 8173S 902-325A Mexico A/T 225-2 220 8174S 902-325A H, N, F, G, R, W, (4000 lbs.) (Canada) A/T 225-2 220 8177S 902-325A I-I, N, F, G, R, W A/T 225-2 220 8217S 902-325A H, N, F, G, R, W A/T 225-2 220 8218S 902-325A CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS AND ADJUSTMENT DATA (SEE BACK PAGE FOR PROCEDURE) CARB. NO. THRO. BORE FLOAT PUMP FAST IDLE CAM LINKAGE CHOKE VACUUM KICK UNLOADER IDLE SETTING 8136S 1-7/16 1/4 , 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 See decal in engine corn- 8137S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 partment 8173S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32 8174S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32 8177S 1.7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32 8217S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32 8218S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32 MOTOR TUNE-UP - BE ACCURATE! WHEN SERVICING CARBURETOR, ALWAYS REPLACE GASKETS, PUMP PLUNGER, NEEDLE & SEAT TO RESTORE TOP PERFORMANCE, THESE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN CARTER ZIP KIT LISTED ABOVE. INSTALL NEW CHOKE ASSEMBLY AT EVERY TUNEUP. Carter Carburetor Division Printed in U.S.A. St. Louis, Missouri 63132 U.S.A. FORM 56776 -Pg. 1 PDF compression, OCR, web optimization using a watermarked evaluation copy of CVISION PDFCompressor MyMopar.com 8217 is sedan 3500# 8218 is wagon 4000#

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 8:30 am ]
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110 1978 "6" CYLINDER DODGE TRUCK BBD DUAL DOWN-DRAFT CLIMATIC CONTROL CARBURETOR NOS. 8149S - 8151S - 8152S - 8153S - 8176S - 8180S MODEL ENGINE DISPL. C.F.M. ORIGINAL CARB. NO. ZIP KIT NO. D, W, B-1 (Non-Calif.) M/T 225 285 8149S 902-325 0, W, B-1 (NonCalif.) A/T 225 285 8151S 902-325 D, W, B-1 (Calif.) M/T 225 285 8152S 902-325 0, W, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8153S 902-325 D, W-1, 2, 3, B-2, 3 (Non-Calif.) ALL/T 225 285 8176S 902-325 D, W-1, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8180S 902-325 CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS AND ADJUSTMENT DATA (SEE BACK PAGE FOR PROCEDURE) CARB. NO. THRO. BORE FLOAT PUMP FAST IDLE LINKAGE VACUUM CHOKE KICK UNLOADER 8149S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 8151S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 8152S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32 8153S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 8176S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32 8180S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 MOTOR TUNE-UP - BE ACCURATE! WHEN SERVICING CARBURETOR, ALWAYS REPLACE GASKETS, PUMP PLUNGER, NEEDLE & SEAT TO RESTORE TOP PERFORMANCE; THESE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN CARTER ZIP KIT LISTED ABOVE. INSTALL NEW CHOKE ASSEMBLY AT EVERY TUNE-UP. Pi lilted in U.S.A. Carter Carburetor

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 8:34 am ]
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110 1978 "6" CYLINDER DODGE TRUCK BBD DUAL DOWN-DRAFT CLIMATIC CONTROL CARBURETOR NOS. 8149S - 8151S - 8152S - 8153S - 8176S - 8180S MODEL ENGINE DISPL. C.F.M. ORIGINAL CARB. NO. ZIP KIT NO. D, W, B-1 (Non-Calif.) M/T 225 285 8149S 902-325 0, W, B-1 (NonCalif.) A/T 225 285 8151S 902-325 D, W, B-1 (Calif.) M/T 225 285 8152S 902-325 0, W, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8153S 902-325 D, W-1, 2, 3, B-2, 3 (Non-Calif.) ALL/T 225 285 8176S 902-325 D, W-1, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8180S 902-325 CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS AND ADJUSTMENT DATA (SEE BACK PAGE FOR PROCEDURE) CARB. NO. THRO. BORE FLOAT PUMP FAST IDLE LINKAGE VACUUM CHOKE KICK UNLOADER 8149S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 8151S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 8152S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32 8153S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 8176S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32 8180S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 MOTOR TUNE-UP - BE ACCURATE! WHEN SERVICING CARBURETOR, ALWAYS REPLACE GASKETS, PUMP PLUNGER, NEEDLE & SEAT TO RESTORE TOP PERFORMANCE; THESE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN CARTER ZIP KIT LISTED ABOVE. INSTALL NEW CHOKE ASSEMBLY AT EVERY TUNE-UP. Pi lilted in U.S.A. Carter Carburetor

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 8:38 am ]
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PARTS LIST PART NO. PART NAME PART NO. PART NAME 14-403 Flange gasket ...... . ....... 101.707 Pump & metering rod arm screw 2.303 Throttle valve (8149) . . ....... . . (2) 101-713S Air horn screw assembly (exc. 8180) (2) 2.321 Throttle valve (8151, 52. 53, 76. 80) (2) 101-714 Dust cover screw 3.1970S Throttle shaft & lever assembly (8152) 101.726 Throttle valve screw (4) 3.1972S Throttle shalt & lever assembly (8149, 51, 53, 76, 80) 103.14 Lead shot 7.172 Choke valve (8149) 103.15 Lead shot (2) 7.341 Choke valve (8151, 52. 53, 16. 80) 105A-60 Modulator lock nut (8176) 14.993S Choke lever & shalt assembly 111-126 Metering rod arm 14.1045 Choke lever 111-165 Pump arm 20.203 Needle seat gasket 113.220S Purnp & metering rod countershaft assembly 21.235A Float assembly 115.538 Choke connector rod 24.23 Float pin 115.546 Throttle connector rod 25.1003S Needle & seal assembly 115.560 Fast idle connector rod 30A-223 Idle mixture screw (2) 116.13 Pump discharge check ball 51.96 Throttle shalt collar 116.18 Pump intake check ball 61.58 Idle & last idle speed screw spring (2) 117.217 Pump link 61.226 Vacuum piston spring . . (2) 118.335S Venturi cover assembly (8176) 61-451 Pump spi rig 118.343 Dust covet 61.873 Idle mixture screw sprin) (2) 118.362S Venturi cover assembly 61-1014 Throttle return spring (8176) 120.386 Main metering jet 1.086") (8149. 51. 52. 53. 80) . (2) 61-1124 Throttle return spring (8149. 51, 52. 53. 80) (2) 120.392 Main metering jet 1.092")(8176) . . . 63-238 Float pin retainer 121-753 Ventur i housing gasket 63.336 Returner (2) 121-759 Dust cover gasket 64-463S Pump plunger & rod assembly 121.760 Body gasket 75.2203 Metering rod (.071 X ,0571(8176) . . (2) 121.801 Venturi cover gasket . 75-2216 Metering rod (.0675 X .057)(8149) . (2) 121-805 Body flange gasket 75-2229 Meter ing rod 1.065 X .057)18152. 53) . . (2) 136.326 Pump & metering rod arm washer (2) 75.2241 Metering rod (.068 X .057)(8151) (2) 145.628 Choke diaphragm hose (2) 75-2264 Metering rod (.0645 X .057)(8180) (2) 156.182 Choke diaphragm tee 96-40 Idle mixture screw limiter cap (2) 160-341S Vacuum piston assembly 101-296 Fast idle speed screw 164.39 Grommet seal 101.307S All horn screw assembly (4) 170-1331S Thermostatic coil, housing & rod assembly 101.428 Choke diaphragm bracket screw (2) 180.270 Bracket modulator (8176) 101.544S Body screw assembly ..... (2) 181.488 Fast idle cam (8149, 52) 101.563 Idle speed screw 181.489 Fast idle cam 18151. 53, 76, 80) 101-565 Fast idle cam screw 186-149 Fuel bowl baffle 101,596 Choke valve screw (2) 202.580A Throttle modulator (8176) 101-634 Choke lever screw 202.590S Choke diaphragm & bracket assembly (8176) 101.639 Venturi cluster screw . . . . (2) 202.591S Choke diaphragm & bracket assembly (exc. 8176) 101.680A Body flange screw assembly . (

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 9:19 am ]
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What type truck 1/2 ton ,auto or stick ?

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 1:42 pm ]
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That 8137s carb looks ok for 1/2 ton stick or auto.METERING ROD 75-2228 a little bit richer than the truck ones. 61-226 vacuum piston spring{THATS THE STUPID LITTLE SPRING} are the same. MAIN JET 120-386 {.086}the same. 118-362s venturi cover assembly{ thats the idle fuel feed and main system air bleed} are the same. Trucks for 1978 got 101-639 venturi cluster screw. Cars got 101-569 and in 79 the trucks got 101-569.Venturi cluster screws came in many different part numbers. Carter never printed the actual sizes just the part numbers. I have measured some of them. The cluster screws contain the the first idle air bleed and the economiser idle down channel restricter. 101-639 air .067 restrictor .055 101-569 air .059 restrictor also .059 So I think the better one is 101-569 . .059 lets less air in so the mix is richer and .059 is more open to down channel flow.

Author:	1930 [ Sat May 10, 2014 5:43 pm ]
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Quote: That 8137s carb looks ok for 1/2 ton stick or auto.METERING ROD 75-2228 a little bit richer than the truck ones. 61-226 vacuum piston spring{THATS THE STUPID LITTLE SPRING} are the same. MAIN JET 120-386 {.086}the same. 118-362s venturi cover assembly{ thats the idle fuel feed and main system air bleed} are the same. Trucks for 1978 got 101-639 venturi cluster screw. Cars got 101-569 and in 79 the trucks got 101-569.Venturi cluster screws came in many different part numbers. Carter never printed the actual sizes just the part numbers. I have measured some of them. The cluster screws contain the the first idle air bleed and the economiser idle down channel restricter. 101-639 air .067 restrictor .055 101-569 air .059 restrictor also .059 So I think the better one is 101-569 . .059 lets less air in so the mix is richer and .059 is more open to down channel flow. Thank-you sir, where was this information pulled from? I will be working on absorbing all of this and putting it to good use. You were correct 1/2 ton. Thanks again for your time

Author:	matv91 [ Sat May 10, 2014 5:56 pm ]
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http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Carbs/Cart ... index.html This should have it

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Author:	1930 [ Sat May 10, 2014 6:04 pm ]
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Quote: http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Carbs/Carter/Chrysler/1965-1979/index.html This should have it Thanks, someone directed me to this earlier today I believe. I had not the chance to sift thru it.