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| Author: | Tim Keith [ Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
We're probably about 5 years away from most new vehicles being a hybrid. Nostalgia may kick in and some may want to invest in older cars - might be more true in trucks and Jeeps. The EPA has threatened to enforce inspections on diesel motors to verify that the emission system is 100 percent OEM. That may also occur with gasoline motors. There's still interest in new parts for flathead Ford 8s, air cooled VWs and a few other antique motors. I'd like a siamese big bore slant six block - not that I'd actually buy one. I believe the bore center spacing of the slant six is the same as the Ford modular v8. Some of those Fords have a 3.70-inch bore. Maybe the new Mopar inline six will be called a slant six, could lead to some new interest in the old motor. I don't think Ram trucks would be as popular if they hadn't revived the Hemi name. |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
Quote: I'd like a siamese big bore slant six block
Me too! I thought of this myself! Brilliant minds ......etcQuote: not that I'd actually buy one
Me neither! |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
And that is why there are no fancy parts........ I know 1 siamese Slant block exists. I seen it with my own 2 eyes. I even know where it went. |
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| Author: | Tim Keith [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
Quote: And that is why there are no fancy parts........
In my way of thinking, a "big bore" might be the impetus to produce a better head. I thought the block could be cast as two pieces. The siamese cylinder bores and deck cast as a single casting and the outer block and crankcase a separate casting. The siamese bores would fit like sleeves in stepped grooves. It might look sort of like an open deck, but not that open. The two pieces would be welded before it is machined. Core shift could be addressed by milling the castings if that were a problem. I suppose aluminum would weld better than cast iron. An alloy block could be die-cast but I'm sure the tooling costs would be very high for that, but maybe 3D printing can help there. With six separate bores cast integral you can drill steam holes which can't easily be done in a production casting.I know 1 siamese Slant block exists. I seen it with my own 2 eyes. I even know where it went. Then you can add big valves without shrouding until someone built a head with LS or whatever chambers and ports. If only a couple dozen were all that were built Chrysler might give permission to use the name "Hemi", or you can figure out words for an acronym "HEME" or something like that. As long as I'm paying with Monopoly money its all okay. |
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| Author: | jcc [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
For a relatively small run in this particular case of a slant head, I would not try to stipulate casting mold methods or casting processes. Yes the 3D printer sand mold casting is trick and likely the future, but talking to the Edelbrock Foundry people yesterday, the actual casting is always the problem area. A ballpark quote for a single unmachined prototype head, supplied with all the design work in Cad, is around $10K, they didn't poo poo the idea, and the check writer owns all the rights. So we are moving the goal posts for a block? The limits of any near stock slant head, alum or otherwise will never IMO justify a block with much more capability in cubes or rpm's NA. |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
Almost no one has trouble with blocks. Also, if you change bore spacing and format, is it a Slant 6 anymore? If Edelbrock is talking that kind of $$, I need to call them. Someone else talked to them last year and they had similarly encouraging things to say. Who knows... Lou |
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| Author: | Badvert65 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
On a cross-flow head, where would the intake go? Would any body style have enough room on the passenger side? |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | A Sunday haiku |
If only we could Make aluminum heads by Talking about them |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
My bet is that maybe 2-3 people will buy a crossflow head and do the heavy work to make it fit the car and ancillaries. Sure, it would be great, but... Yes, I am not sure why I am still talking about this, but we can never completely control our brains! Lou |
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| Author: | GregCon [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
"If only we could Make aluminum heads by Talking about them" This is why I make sure I always tell anyone in need that I am always 'there' for them. Of course, I just make sure I am nowhere near them when I say it, and I first make sure I have no money, skills, or other means with which to actually help them. That's just the sort of caring, generous, and humble person I am, and always being the first to offer things I can't and/or won't actually provide makes me feel better about myself. P.S. ...love the haiku. |
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| Author: | Greg Ondayko [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
Crossflow will fit with right side fenderwell headers. Leave the intake on the left. Greg |
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| Author: | Badvert65 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
Wouldn't that cook the distributor, plug wires, oil filter, etc? |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
Nope, they were all eliminated in this dream. |
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| Author: | Greg Ondayko [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Al vs Fe |
If you are making a cross flow head the plugs get relocated anyway! Greg |
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