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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:08 am 
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I just sent you two PM's. Give it a try.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:04 pm 
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Ignition timing is at 7 BTDC. How do I go about checking cam timing? Sorry but im still learning.
First thing, let's verify that your timing mark isn't telling you lies (TDC as indicated by the timing marks is TDC in reality): See this post and subsequent followups for methods of making that test.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:50 pm 
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Ok I think I fixed the problem today.

This morning I couldn't even put it in drive without it dying out immediately. The stats were:

Idle - 1100 RPM in Park (that was just to try to keep it running in drive, which didn't work) 0 RPM in Drive
Vacuum - 18 (with mixture screws turned out 4 1/2 turns)
Timing - 7* BTDC
Dwell - 51*

So I decided to just start with finding TDC and go from there. I pulled the #1 cylinder up to the top and found out that my mark was spot on. So I repainted it with a white stripe and decided to move on to the dwell.

I removed the distributor and as I turned the rotor, I couldn't even get the points to open up at all. They were closed the entire time. So I gapped the points to .020" and reinstalled the distributor. Started the car up, tuned on it a bit and it purrs like a kitten. I can barely even tell its running in drive because the idle is so nice and smooth. Heres the stats I ended up with. They aren't perfect but I almost don't even wanna mess with it again for now with how nice its running.

Idle - 750 RPM in park, 550 RPM in drive
Vacuum - 17 (mixture screws turned out 3 turns instead of the 4 1/2)
Timing - 5* BTDC
Dwell - 40*

I know the vacuum should be reading higher (even though I can't find any leaks, and yes i've gone through the carb cleaner test as well as the soapy water with pressure test). I also know the dwell should be between 41-46*, but I wasn't about to pull it again for one degree. I'm just glad it's running like a normal car for now. I'd like to drive it for a month and then see if the problem occurs again because it seems to get worse over time. Especially when I take it out on the freeway. I really appreciate all the help. I had no idea the points could have been causing all this.

Oh yeah, so far I haven't had any run on at all. Although I've only shut it off about 5 or 6 times so far.


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Good sleuthing! With further tuning, you should be able to improve it even further.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:24 pm 
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D'uh! Had a brain fart, as far as dwell/timing. I guess that comes from not having to tune a points car in at least a few years. You know what they say;use it or lose it; :roll: :oops:


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Dwell!? It was dwell! :x

The shop that replaced your distributor didn't do you many favors did they?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:59 pm 
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ESP47,

What year is your car?

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Two separate shops replaced the distributor this last year because of a "loose shaft". I can tell ya one thing, im never taking this thing to a shop again. It's either figure it out or don't drive it. Too bad its my daily driver :oops:

Its a 71 Ted.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:36 pm 
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Two separate shops replaced the distributor this last year because of a "loose shaft". I can tell ya one thing, im never taking this thing to a shop again. It's either figure it out or don't drive it. Too bad its my daily driver :oops:

Its a 71 Ted.

You know, the SINGLE best thing about electronic ignition is that there's no side-loading on the distributor shaft at all, and the bushings flat never wear out. Not having to putz with points is just a side-benefit :-)

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