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Author:  Dart270 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:32 am ]
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Who is not sharing info? I am curious since I have not seen evidence of this. I am quite happy to share cam profiles and head flows from what I've learned. I don't have all the numbers from other racers, but I do have the philosophies. I have a plot of several intake port flows I can try to post or email out.

Personally, I have never really gone that fast, but I've become a "student" of the fast guys and hope to have something fast at some point.

If I am sounding cagey, I am not trying to be.

Cheers,

Lou
Author:  Shaker223 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:58 am ]
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Well, this has certainly gotten out of hand quickly. SSD is right about the strong personalities. Let's try and put them aside. True, information is scattered about the site. Even I have a hard time searching for and finding the information I'm looking for at times. Maybe this is an opportunity to categorize items or create a "best of" section.

Slantzilla, withholding information isn't going to help the community. Racers like to hold onto the secrets they have but this isn't like nascar or SS/AH where finding 5hp is like gold.

If you guys remember, I got flamed pretty hard in this thread:
http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

Well, I took it to the next level and proved a lot of the comments in that thread wrong by taking a turbo'd stock slant six into the 11's. It took 2 seasons but I did it. Don't be surprised if Don does the same thing.

Don has the experience with all of the OEM engines through the benefit of his machine shop. I'm betting he knows a few tricks that could help us all and likewise visa versa. No need to recreate the wheel or in this case the Slant 6.

Let's put the egos aside.

Tom
Author:  NewLancerMan [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:40 am ]
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I think that Don's comment was about Mike's info.

Banging heads is unavoidable, but I agree with Tom, everyone brings something to the table (myself excluded). I've dealt with Don several times on other boards, and found him to be quite helpful. Maybe we can just focus on the motors, and if ideas have been tried, and information shared, then great. I would be guilty of ignoring advice and trying to find out for myself, only to see they were either right, or wrong. That's the nature of innovation.

I have nothing fast, but like that I continue to learn (quite slowly I might add) from all of you that do. Entering my first real attempt at a vaguely "go fast" quality engine now, and appreciate the feedback everyone continues to give.

So lets take a step back and stay on track, if at all possible.

Ok, that's my peace ;)

MJ
Author:  Tom Drake [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:13 am ]
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In response to the email I got (sorry I do not recognize the email address) Yes I still have the head flow chart. The last time I updated it was with Jaggers and sick6 heads. I believe a few folks like Lou have a copy but I will be glad to email a copy to anyone interested.

It does have the M. Jefferies head on it that he did for Lou.(Lou can tell you more about that head) It also has the flow numbers from Camerons Tilleys head that Lou had sent me. Most all of the heads were flowed on the same bench as Dad's heads except for the three listed above.

Dad actually compared Lous head with the best head he had (at the time) and I wrote up a comparison for Mike and mailed it to him.( I can probably find that as well if you want it) As well as I remember both heads were the same until about .250 and then Dads started to gain a little over Lous as the lift increased.

Keep in mind that Dad was not running any high lift cams. He was not concerned with anything over .500 and concentrated on the low lift numbers. That is reflected in his lift numbers and every head he had done up that point stalled at .500.

I might still have the numbers from Gary Bruners head that he had REALLY enlarged. That head flowed 230-240 on the same bench around or above .600 lift. The problem with that head was that the low lift numbers were low, so low in fact that the stock head on the graph was almost as good as it was, up to .300-.400 lift but then it took off. It would have taken a special motor/cam combo to take advantage of the high lift numbers on that head.

Anyone can send me an email if you want a copy and I will try to get together everything I have. I can probably answer some questions and if not I can get you in touch with Dad who would be glad to help you out.


Good Luck!

Tom Drake
Author:  Doc [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:42 am ]
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Please remember that this SL6 community is pretty small compared to others out there on the web, sometimes it takes a little more time and effort to get the info (or parts) you are looking for.

That aside, I feel that most all the SL6 engine builders are open and willing to share info but like most people, it is all about the situation.
If I know the person, know the projects background and have some clear requests or "actions", I usually bend over backwards to help.

On the other hand, I get a lot of calls, emails and questions "out of the blue", for strangers and I usually reply if the question can be answered quickly but to be honest, if it is a complex question, I don't have the time to give it the discussion it deserves and that can come across as "with-holding info."

So here is one example where I worked with a member, mostly "off line", on a 198 SL6 engine build and that engine produced some great results on the dyno.
There are many others...

So as the old saying goes... "life is a two way street, you have to give some in order to get something in return."
DD

http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18685
Author:  turboram [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:50 am ]
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The bad part about making the head a lot better is that you will soon be finding the limits of a stock crank and block. There was already a group buy done on billet cranks, some are still floating around and at least 1 could probably be bought.
Who made these and where could one be purchased :?:
Author:  Tom Drake [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:23 am ]
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Ok. Doug asked that I send him everything I had and he would post it on the site for you guys. May take me a day or two to pull it all together.

If you want a copy for yourself jsut let me know and I will send it to everyone at one time.


Tom
Author:  slantzilla [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:43 pm ]
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I'm not withholding anything. I just don't feel I have anything that can help someone who thinks Slant racers are too stupid to try anything but a Chevy lobe profile. I don't even have a Chevy profile in my junk, and I am running a used 20 year old camshaft.

N/A Slants are at the same place as NHRA P/S motors. All the easy HP has been found, all that's left is the little stuff that costs big money to get.

Remember, the N/A and nitrous cars that were really fast got to the point of being incredibly fragile and cost intensive to maintain.

Back to the original question. Yes, there would be some interest in a billet head, but it will not be a money maker because no 3 people can agree on what they need. That's the bad part about running an oddball combination, no three are exactly alike.
Author:  Ron Parker [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:45 pm ]
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Lou 270 Slantwalker has done a lot of resarch... he is a nuclear scientist. His cars are exact and fast an he is good.
Me, Ron Slanted Attitude Solo has a piece of junk but it has all of my special modifications. It just went 12.43 at the base at Clay City . And could do the Bagel run at Valdosta at about 12.20 . Footbrake and racing fuel.
May The Force be with you!









It Aint Over Until I Win :D
Author:  GTS225 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:03 pm ]
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Methinks we know how Ron Parker is dressing for Halloween. :lol: :wink: :roll:

Roger
Author:  Ron Parker [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:41 pm ]
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I was working on my car late last nite when things got bad and then got worst. Then all of a sudden a friend of mine James Longhurst said lets do the mash lets do the monster mash. so all my raceing friends jumped right in we had all of the west coast boys saying lets do the mash.
We have one nuclear scientist gone lou, one national champion, a guru, two many rons that need help and everybody just said yep. we did the mash we did the monster mash...
So all you slanters who think you are smart racer with this crowd and see if you are loud... we did the mash.
James you still scare me. Thanks Ron Parker :D
Ps Got the hood torn off my car coming back home from clay city hit a truck gator but thats racing



How Bad Do You Want It
Author:  bmimken [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:53 pm ]
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I agree with other previous posts about the billet head. The price for a billet head would prevent most people on this site from being able to afford one. There would be a lot of interest in them, for sure; but not a lot of takers unfortunately (myself included). I do not wish to discourage anyone from attempting to produce them, just giving feedback to the original question.

Brian
Author:  Dart270 [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:17 am ]
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I agree with absolutely everything Ron P just said.

What's the name of his car again??? :wink:

James scares the hell outta me too, but the force is with me... He has that monster mash down (like zombie underground).

Lou
Author:  66aCUDA [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:24 am ]
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Hey Ron
Mash or Single its all good huh Buddy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Burp
Frank
Author:  Dart270 [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:40 am ]
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Yep, single, double, blended, whatever it takes. Safe journey, Frank and Cinda.

Lou
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