Slant Six Forum :: Delay boxes in Slant 6 races

That said, when you're running a box against my car you need to stage, watch the tree, then let go of a button. I have to stage, hope the car doesn't roll out of the beams, hold the RPM steady, watch the tree, let the clutch out at the right rate at the right time, push the throttle open (again at the right rate at the right time) and then shift three times at the right time and not miss any gears. I'll never have your car in my sight and all I can do is keep it boarded and hope to run my number. It's crazy to say a faster car with a box has any disadvantage.

We have a list of racers, why not just vote on running a box or not?

You've chosen to bring a knife to a gunfight. Why penalize someone else because they bring a gun to a knife fight?

Because car counts don't warrant it anymore.

I cried the same tears as you years ago. It fell on deaf ears then, and it will again.

Oh yeah, if you get tired of getting beat by fast cars, you'll either learn to drive, or build a faster car.

If you get a chance, ask Mike Jeffrey how many times I cut the tree off on him in his box car with my 19 second footbrake Duster?

My name is still on the wall at US 41 for winning Box class with a 19 second footbrake Duster.

I believe Lou has trailered a couple box cars in his day with a stick car.

Yes, this did get rather off track, and was partly my fault.

See you all at the track!

Lou

Sorry, I thought this was a Slant Six race for fun, not a pro race. It sounded neat, fun and fair to everyone. I'd be willing to bet if everyone knew that they were racing against boxes and not similar cars the car count wouldn't increase any.

No tears, but my point is the number of cars with boxes probably doesn't warrant letting them use them. I could be wrong, but that's why I asked.

Please go back and read the first sentence in the first post. The drivers with the fast cars and delay boxes are complaining about an unfair advantage that the slow cars without electronics have. Seriously?

I didn't complain about anything, I just asked questions like why don't we just let the majority decide. I'll ask again, what's wrong with doing that?

And for the record, if boxes weren't an advantage no one would use them. It's really that simple.

I didn't complain about anything, I just asked questions like why don't we just let the majority decide. I'll ask again, what's wrong with doing that?

,,,I am there to race and have fun.All motor, foot brake Mark

Author:	Dart270 [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:17 pm ]
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Yes, this did get rather off track, and was partly my fault. See you all at the track! Lou

Author:	slantzilla [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:45 pm ]
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Quote: That said, when you're running a box against my car you need to stage, watch the tree, then let go of a button. I have to stage, hope the car doesn't roll out of the beams, hold the RPM steady, watch the tree, let the clutch out at the right rate at the right time, push the throttle open (again at the right rate at the right time) and then shift three times at the right time and not miss any gears. I'll never have your car in my sight and all I can do is keep it boarded and hope to run my number. It's crazy to say a faster car with a box has any disadvantage. You've chosen to bring a knife to a gunfight. Why penalize someone else because they bring a gun to a knife fight? Quote: We have a list of racers, why not just vote on running a box or not? Because car counts don't warrant it anymore. I cried the same tears as you years ago. It fell on deaf ears then, and it will again. Oh yeah, if you get tired of getting beat by fast cars, you'll either learn to drive, or build a faster car. If you get a chance, ask Mike Jeffrey how many times I cut the tree off on him in his box car with my 19 second footbrake Duster? My name is still on the wall at US 41 for winning Box class with a 19 second footbrake Duster. I believe Lou has trailered a couple box cars in his day with a stick car.

Author:	fzmax [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:17 pm ]
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Quote: You've chosen to bring a knife to a gunfight. Why penalize someone else because they bring a gun to a knife fight? Sorry, I thought this was a Slant Six race for fun, not a pro race. It sounded neat, fun and fair to everyone. I'd be willing to bet if everyone knew that they were racing against boxes and not similar cars the car count wouldn't increase any. Quote: Because car counts don't warrant it anymore. I cried the same tears as you years ago. It fell on deaf ears then, and it will again. No tears, but my point is the number of cars with boxes probably doesn't warrant letting them use them. I could be wrong, but that's why I asked. Quote: Oh yeah, if you get tired of getting beat by fast cars, you'll either learn to drive, or build a faster car. If you get a chance, ask Mike Jeffrey how many times I cut the tree off on him in his box car with my 19 second footbrake Duster? My name is still on the wall at US 41 for winning Box class with a 19 second footbrake Duster. I believe Lou has trailered a couple box cars in his day with a stick car. I haven't lost a round in over five years and have a much faster ride in the garage than my stock 170 Valiant. Now I haven't run brackets in over five years either, but when I did I sent more than my fair share of cars onto the trailer and I haven't run an automatic since the mid-90's and never had a box of any kind.

Author:	fzmax [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:25 pm ]
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Quote: Yes, this did get rather off track, and was partly my fault. See you all at the track! Lou It did and I'm at least as much to blame, sorry. Years ago I gave up brackets because of the complaining by the electronic guys. I just didn't expect the same thing here.

Author:	slantzilla [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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Quote: Sorry, I thought this was a Slant Six race for fun, not a pro race. It sounded neat, fun and fair to everyone. I'd be willing to bet if everyone knew that they were racing against boxes and not similar cars the car count wouldn't increase any. No tears, but my point is the number of cars with boxes probably doesn't warrant letting them use them. I could be wrong, but that's why I asked. No, the Slant series is for a national championship and prize money. Yes, you are supposed to have fun, but there are those there who show up with winning on their minds. You choose to bring a slow stick car to an all run bracket class and you get what you get. Why penalize others just because you want to race a slow stick car? I'm very sure most of the real fast guys started out with a stock Slant car at one time or another. The first few Slant races I went to were 16 car qualified fields. If there were more than 16 cars some people didn't get to race. My ex wife was runner up at the first Clay City race from the 4th alternate spot. 3 cars broke and Seymour didn't race so she could. She had the same 19 second foot brake Duster that I drove. She had at least 1 box car redlight against her. Bottom line is they are probably not going to ban boxes just because you don't like them. I still say that if you're complaining about having to race a box car before you even get to the track, you've already beat yourself and killed what could be a good time.

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Author:	fzmax [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:26 pm ]
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Please go back and read the first sentence in the first post. The drivers with the fast cars and delay boxes are complaining about an unfair advantage that the slow cars without electronics have. Seriously? I didn't complain about anything, I just asked questions like why don't we just let the majority decide. I'll ask again, what's wrong with doing that? And for the record, if boxes weren't an advantage no one would use them. It's really that simple.

Author:	slantzilla [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:40 am ]
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Quote: Please go back and read the first sentence in the first post. The drivers with the fast cars and delay boxes are complaining about an unfair advantage that the slow cars without electronics have. Seriously? I didn't complain about anything, I just asked questions like why don't we just let the majority decide. I'll ask again, what's wrong with doing that? And for the record, if boxes weren't an advantage no one would use them. It's really that simple. No, Seymour was wondering what we can do about tracks that won't turn off Crosstalk. That affects any car that is last to leave, not just box cars. You have been whining the whole thread about it not being fair that slow cars have to run box cars because you don't think you have a chance. That argument has been going on forever, nothing new here. It's not going to change, been there done that. No one has said that a box is not an advantage. They are not a cure-all for a sucky driver though, and they are not invincible. Leaving first with a slow car is also an advantage. Should we ban slow cars and make all races heads-up? Back to the original topic. IF the track will not turn off Crosstalk, the faster car of the pair will just have to suck it up and adapt. It can be done. If it bothers you that much just wait until you are paired and dial .01 faster than your opponent. Then Crosstalk is not an issue and all you have to do is keep a wheel on your opponent.

Author:	fzmax [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:15 am ]
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Quote: Please go back and read the first sentence in the first post. The drivers with the fast cars and delay boxes are complaining about an unfair advantage that the slow cars without electronics have. Seriously? I didn't complain about anything, I just asked questions like why don't we just let the majority decide. I'll ask again, what's wrong with doing that? And for the record, if boxes weren't an advantage no one would use them. It's really that simple.

Author:	sandy in BC [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:06 am ]
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Competing against perceived advantages increases the value of the win. Last race (mud drags) my car was the only small block car(stock heads) in the top 10. I also had the smallest tires in the class. I listened to a guy on Saturday night explain to me that my class could not be won with less than a built big block. He was right. I was only 2nd. Im the SOB that brings a popsicle stick to a gunfight .....and goes home with money. Its just more fun that way. Always race to win. Always punch above your weight. Win more than you should. ..... oh yeah......and stop whining. I think Seymour is looking for solutions........not sympathy.

Author:	slantzilla [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:10 pm ]
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Quote: I didn't complain about anything, I just asked questions like why don't we just let the majority decide. I'll ask again, what's wrong with doing that? OK, here's what you do. (This has been done before) First, go to some Slant races and establish yourself as a real Slant racer and not some keyboard crusader. Then, prove you are at a disadvantage to box cars. (Never cut a light worse than .050 and run more than .05 off) Finally, go to the annual banquet and plead your case. Maybe they'll change the rules for you and maybe they won't, but at least you will have some validity as anything other than an internet racer.

Author:	fzmax [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:57 pm ]
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I am sorry this is so upsetting and confusing for you. I did not whine about anything. I am not trying to get any rules changed. I do not want anyone to do anything for me or my car, nor did I ask anyone to do anything. You assume way too much. I never said a word about me, what kind of racer I am or any of my wins or losses. You assumed I am bitching, tired of losing to box cars and want special treatment. None of that is true, but maybe because that's what you did you're assuming that is my intention as well? Well it's not. I understand your need to tell the world what a great racer you are, especially by putting a box car on the trailer with your 19-second Duster. Your parents must be so proud. But I'm not interested in your record and certainly didn't ask for you for any advice.

Author:	slantzilla [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:48 pm ]
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You keep railing about wanting boxes voted out. Go to the banquet and get them voted out. Simple, right? My parents both died within the last year, but yes, they were proud of me.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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Ok, I am not a mod or do I think this is necessarily out of hand but I'm starting to feel bad for everyone involved. I see both sides, and I think valid points are on both sides. Let's just say, that we had our say, and that if we need to address any of this it will need to be addressed after the season is over. Rules won't be changed mid season, and this is a legitimate topic to discuss. I don't think Fzmax was whining, he was just asking a legitimate question. We all need to be able to feel free to do that. Slantzilla has already dealt with it and knows what the outcome was. That is legitimate too. So let's all get back to enjoying our Slants and our racing no matter how good or bad we do. Rick "The Peacemaker" Covalt PS. We will have at least 4 or 5 Stick cars at Mason Dixon next week, with many first time racers who I think will all have a great time. However, I got to tell you, That if I draw Ron Hamby in the first round, I intend to do everything in my power to put him in the trailer with my 20 second truck. (Sorry Ron) Then when we are done I want to shake his hand and wish him better luck next time, and leave their better friends because of our racing each other. Thanks

Author:	madmax/6 [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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I could care less what the other person has.I run MY car the way I want it,against myself.I dont care if the other car has every gadget,nitrous,turbo,whatever,,,I am there to race and have fun.All motor, foot brake Mark

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Author:	ceej [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:01 pm ]
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Quote: ,,,I am there to race and have fun.All motor, foot brake Mark Yeah! You got it right Mark! It's how FAST you can make it go! You Rock! CJ PS: I couldn't care less about electronics cars. Run 'em if you got um. Keep the points!