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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Same problem |
Kevin, Not to burst your bubble, but changing to the T-56 still leaves you with the same issue. Even if Quicktime can give you the mounting you need, you still need a clutch to fit inside the slant six size bellhousing and bolt to a slant 6 flywheel. I don't know if there are any small clutch disc in the T-56 input spline. Rick |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:42 pm ] |
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Kev, Didn't you say there was oil on the clutch? |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:31 am ] |
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I thought you would be able to fit the bigger slant flywheel and have it drilled for say a 10.5 mustang clutch, isn't lou using a mustang clutch in the t5? maybe i got my p's and q's mixed up. Would the qt bell not be able to accomadate the truck flywheel? Yes, there was gear oil from the tranny everywhere, the flywheel itself didn't seem wet but i'm sure it got in there considering the inside of the bell housing is coated. I'm gonna pull the trans and pop a front seal in it this weekend if i get time and take some measurements for spec about wear on the clutch. Kev |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:41 am ] |
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The Quicktime Performance bellhousing uses the same passenger car 122 tooth flywheel as the stock passenger car bell so the QT bell is of no help in fitting a larger flywheel and clutch. Swapping the trans for a different brand in most cases means changing the clutch disc to get the proper spline and the pilot bearing to match the shaft, but everything else clutch-related stays the same. I think the gear oil has created an Oilite bushing out of the clutch disc. You might be able to get the surface clean, but it will release oil with heat and wear causing slippage. If the pressure plate isn't heat damaged I'd get a new disc from Spec and put it in. A dry clutch will have much better holding power. |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:37 pm ] |
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I agree that if much oil got on there, you're likely sunk with that disc. I have the stock type flywheel and 9" disc and PP. I wore out a stock 10" truck PP in about 10k miles and overpowered it, but my McLeod 9" has been rock solid. Lou |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:52 pm ] |
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K so i'm pretty sure my clutch just exploded on the way to the boxing i was driving normally went to shift second and BANG! horrible noises so i'm still waiting for the tow truck awesome week lol! Kev |
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| Author: | sandy in BC [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:20 pm ] |
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If you have still got 2 feet......your week is better than you think..... |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:40 pm ] |
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Holy crap! My dad and i were kicking around ideas why the front seal started leaking all the sudden i totally forgot to stick a pilot bearing on this crank i forgot it came from an auto car would no pilot bearing cause this kind of damage or could my input shaft on the trans itself be broke? What would haveing no pilot bearing cause for problems just curious i'll know more when i pull the trans maybe tommorow night. Kev |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:47 pm ] |
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I imagine having no pilot bearing can do a number of bad things. Cause the clutch to drag. Ruin the input bearing and seal. Cause abnormal transmission wear. Maybe tear the center out of the clutch disc. Damage to the input shaft and input bearing retainer. Transmission can slip out of gear. |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:03 pm ] |
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Well i really hope i remebered to put the pilot bearing in there i've been racking my brain with this car and school and family stuff lately I can't get my head straight. I guess we'll see anybody got a t5 or t56 for sale might be time for a new tranny if the news is devastating or could even toss the old 904 back in eh who knows. Kev, I do really want a t56 though  if anybody has any good sourcesKev |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Quicktime? |
Kevin, If you are set on a T-56 and willing to spend the money and work to do it, why not just go to a smallblock Quicktime bell. Then you can bolt in a V-8 flywheel and any number of known good clutches and PP. Your starter will be in the low location but with your Turbo exhaust setup that may not even be a problem. The only real issue is getting an aluminum adapter plate made to bolt between the slant and the Quicktime. This plate is the only really big issue I see. I have no idea, but if you ask Mark Goodman real nice he may make you one. He made mine and the one Slantzilla has. Quicktime Bell - Gives you protection and transmission of your choice V-8 Flywheel - near bolt in / Gives you many options for a good clutch setup Aluminum adapter - makes it all possible. (I think mine is only 3/8" thick) If Mark doesn't want to do it maybe someone else could do a run of them. They would not be nearly as expensive or as much work as the adapters that Andy F did. Although his were a work of art. Rick Covalt |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:57 pm ] |
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Would that be the better way to go beacuase i was brainstorming today if i swap to a t56 i would have to get an sfi flywheel send it to spec have them drill and fit there 9.5 clutch on it and they told me that could easily hold 500ftlb without the super clamp option, i would just get a 10spline disc so the t56 shaft would slip in the the quicktime bell slant with the t56 thingy to make it bolt up, shorter drive shaft then cut and reweld the floor up. That would work wouldn't it? Or would the sb bell with an adapter plate be a better way to go i really don't know, what would you guys do? This would be a safe stick setup with the explosion proof stuff right, I don't want to lose any toes Does the adapter plate have to be extremely precise or could i just make it myself? Like trace my old bell plasma cut a plate then reshape till it mates up? Kev, If i'm forgetting anything in my plans let me know please |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:58 pm ] |
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Oh i forgot the starter may or may not be an issue the way it sits now is right next to the downpipe if it were any lower it might slip right below the downpipe's level, or be in the way just guessing. Kev |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Flywheel |
I don't know what is best. But if you get an SFI flywheel from McLeod they can drill it with the slant pattern and whatever pattern you decide to go with in house. There is no need to send it to Spec. Do you trust this "new" 500 ft.lb Spec clutch? And do they have a clutch disc in 9.5" diameter with the T-56 spline? You could make the plate yourself, but once you get it all cut, and all the holes drilled , you will need to get it all within specs for runout. You can used offset dowels...etc. The one Mark made me looks very nice and professionally done. He did it cheap too. And he sent the proper countersunk bolts....etc. It would be nice just to duplicate my plate or Slantzilla's but mine is for an old Lakewood blowproof, and probably would not bolt up to anything but that. Rick Just keep weighing the options. Truthfully the best thing would be for Spec's stuff to work right out of the box. |
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| Author: | 1974duster kev [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:32 am ] |
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Oh i thought Mcloud didn't make stuff for our slants anymore? Kev |
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