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Author:  sandy in BC [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:12 pm ]
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i sure like the concept but that is one ugly looking motor

i sure like the concept but that is one ugly looking motor

i sure like the concept but that is one ugly looking motor
Author:  CARS [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:19 pm ]
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Did you still want $2500.00 for an engine short block that didn't perform well? Just curious because I don't really remember the reason (short block, head, intake/exhaust) why you were disapointed in the engine.
I remember conflicting compression ratios and etc. but did you come to a conclusion on why the combo didn't work?
Author:  argentina-slantsixer [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:58 pm ]
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give the man a break. At least this in one guy who actually invested time, money, effort in building a non standard slant before he moved on to something else. Gotta admire that instead the "yank it and put a V8" usual mopar guys philosophy.
Author:  Bren67Cuda904 [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:37 pm ]
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Did you still want $2500.00 for an engine short block that didn't perform well?
Yes

I think theres two way to look at this.
1. Its built to run on the street and does pretty good pushing a driver/car weighing in at 3410 lbs to 15.6 (1/4) with 3.07:1 rear gear.
2. Over the years many Slanters, I believe, have developed a misconception of what Slant6s should produce power wise. Alot of times people fail to mention clearly that their 13 or 14 second car is basicly a racecar that they have learned to live with on the street and it weighs in around 2600 lbs.

When I got this car it was bone stock except for the SuperSix setup. I had plans of pull the six and doing the normal V8 swap. I got on line and found you guys (slantsix.org) and was slowly convinced that this Slantsix could be built to easly run in the low 14s and get great fuel mileage. What I didn't realize untill after dumping a bunch of money in the motor is that I would need a full on racecar build to make those goals.
I don't really blame you guys. Alots of people around me said "If the Slant is such a power house, why isn't it used more often?" I blame myself. I believe the Slant is a great motor (longevity), but not for my needs, thats why it's for sale. Many of you know the money that in this engine. Many of you attacked the builder/machine shop. I would have him build me another engine in a heart beat. His ability to build a reliable engine that will hold together is on the top of the list. It was my mistake to ask him to build this type of engine.
I personally would pull the motor and take it to the scrap yard before selling it any lower than what is posted for.
If a race engine is what you want, then filler up with 110 octane and bump the timing, install headers and put it in to a 2600 lb car and run 13s.
You can't build "this" engine for under $3500 period. (short block $2500)
Author:  slantzilla [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:26 pm ]
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2. Over the years many Slanters, I believe, have developed a misconception of what Slant6s should produce power wise. Alot of times people fail to mention clearly that their 13 or 14 second car is basicly a racecar that they have learned to live with on the street and it weighs in around 2600 lbs.
Most Slant people are sensible enough not to expect 13 second performance out of a 3600# car with A/C on it. I still believe that the car should have been close to that if the engine had been planned and built properly. My car would run low 14's at 3250#, and get decent mileage with 3.91 gears in it. No A/C though. :lol:
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Many of you know the money that in this engine. Many of you attacked the builder/machine shop. I would have him build me another engine in a heart beat. His ability to build a reliable engine that will hold together is on the top of the list. It was my mistake to ask him to build this type of engine.
By your own admission your builder hosed you down on more than one occasion, and seems to have no clue what he built you. I will go as far as to say that he really hosed you on the head. That head can not work as it is, but you knew better than us. Plus, you chose to venture into uncharted territory with the stroker/big bore combo, and completely disregarded any good advice that was not what you wanted to hear. You bought your ticket, you took your chances.
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I personally would pull the motor and take it to the scrap yard before selling it any lower than what is posted for.
You may have to.

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You can't build "this" engine for under $3500 period. (short block $2500)
I can.


Just one question Bren. You have shown you can't tune a simple carbureted engine. What are you going to do when you run into issues with a full electronic engine?

I have both beat on you and praised you for your trials and tribulations with your Slant. However, the fact remains that you are blaming your Slant for not performing when it is your fault it is not.

Good luck with the Hemi project. I still find it to be very interesting even if it is not a Slant. :D
Author:  AnotherSix [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:48 pm ]
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I never mentioned it before, while trying to be nice about pointing out what a hack job the porting looked like, and how it might be fixed. Remember in one post I suggested having it flowed while it was off at a different shop?

The pictures posted of the head in the shop on the "head machine". It is a drill press, not a head machine or even a small mill or Bridgeport. It is just a drill press with a jig to hole the head and an adapter to hold the cutters chucked in a plain old chuck. Sure you can make something like this work, but any real engine shop should have the right machines for the job.

I happen to have a heavier drill press than the one in the pictures, and will admit to even using a fly cutter in it to bore watercraft pump nozzles, but I would never go into the engine business without the right machines.

Are you related to your "engine builder" somehow? what on earth would make you think they are any good?
Author:  Bren67Cuda904 [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:04 pm ]
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You can't build "this" engine for under $3500 period. (short block $2500)
I can.

I think your calculator is broken. Or are you counting stuff you already have?
Author:  Bren67Cuda904 [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:13 pm ]
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Are you related to your "engine builder" somehow? what on earth would make you think they are any good?
No relation.
I will admit the head work is substandard. I was mainly refering to the short block. When I stated that I'd use him again on a future build, it was with plans of using already prepped AL heads.
Author:  runvs_826 [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:27 pm ]
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I've read a lot, learned a lot, and sweat a lot for my car. My dad and I have tackled stuff many people have said impossible, only because we didn't give up, including rebuilding an A500 on my 16th birthday. This specific post is direcected to anyone reading it now just one individual, with the hopes of ending lot's of pissing matches and educating anyone who comes to this so helpful site and will eventually end up in this situation.
The biggest thing I've read and learned about engines is planning and setting a realistic goal. Next thing is to know almost extensively everything your engine builder is doing, maybe not HOW to do it, but what and why. If you don't understand, ask him, for goodness sake your paying the guy. I mean don't be a pest, but don't be out of the loop. If you can't do any of these things go buy a crate engine w/ a warrenty, buy the kits to put it in, and be happy. I completely agree with all these statements, though not directly mine except for the typing, they hold a lot of truth.
I would really like to put a hemi in my car, I think it would be excellent power (400-500) without having the engine wound like guitar string ready to snap. But it's not time yet, also because I personally want to learn more about engine building and think it's a good, cheap platform to learn off. To build a slant six you need your own personal reasons, most of the time it tends to be the money. However, sometimes it's a challenge, as men we love them. So yes I do agree with Slantzilla that you can build 14-15 sec slants without having a full "racecar." I think I can dip into the 12's with a litle boost (no pun intended).
So if your motive is to go fast, go buy a small block, hell, go buy a big block, that's your calling. Next time though don't photoshop, cause I was kinda excited to see it regardless of engine or make, I'm an engineer and appreciate the extraordinary not just horsepower.
Author:  BigBlockBanjo [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:09 pm ]
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True, true. I think quite a few people learned from Bren's experiences, and that in itself is worth something. It is worth noting; that when you take your slant (or any straight 6) to the machine shop for "performance" changes, You must do the research before you start, and you have to tell the shop exactly what you want done. Don't be a pest, but most shops only deal with the V-8 crowd, so a good shop will appreciate your input. That takes some load off them, because you did the research first.
I still say a bigger cam would fix that motor. :roll: Bren's slant would explode with a good (Jeffries?) head and the proper valve control. You can run 12:1 Comp. on the street, if you build the engine right.
Bigger (correct) cam= bleed off of excess cylinder pressure = pump gas.

I might do it someday to prove my point.... :D
My engine's cam is w-a-y advanced, my cylinder PSI is around 215 or so. And although I was pinging with 87 octane, 93 seems to have fixed it. I'm still going to correct the cam, because my mixture is a little too rich now for my liking. (It's rich to help fight pinging) But regardless......
I still have an essentially stock head, and a comparably small 264 duration cam. And a log manifold. And a stock dizzy. :wink:
Don't tell me it isn't possible, it's just about putting an engine together correctly.
Mopar to ya' Bren, and good luck!
Author:  slantzilla [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:38 am ]
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I can.

I think your calculator is broken. Or are you counting stuff you already have?
You seem to keep forgetting that I have ties to many engine builders and machine shops. I can get parts and machine work done for much less than you can. I do my own assembly too. I also have blocks, cranks, and stock rods coming out of my ears. If I wanted to try a large bore stroker all I would really have to do is get a welded crank and order a set of pistons/rings. No rocket science here. :D

The #1 knock against yours selling for any money is that it is such an oddball combination, and has unproven reliability. I'm still pretty sure that leaning on it or a good shot of hose will collapse cylinders like the walls of Jericho. :cry:
Author:  Bren67Cuda904 [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:41 pm ]
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I also have blocks, cranks, and stock rods coming out of my ears.
OK, so your not counting parts you already have.
Author:  argentina-slantsixer [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:44 pm ]
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main thing is that if your planning and goals are unrealistic you won't be happy with your newly acquired hemi. A/C on a 12 second car... I don't remotely see it with ANY streetable body/motor combo. Period.

Plus the guys are right about your motor. If you hadn't been so hard headed and insist on your evidently clue and helpless engine builder, you would have a 300 hp motor by now. That head is crap and the cam doesn't seems to match up with your oddball.

If I were you and wanting the big time revenge you seem to want out of this project, I would yank it and beat it with a large hammer until the biggest piece is a 1/2" nut.

I don't see how you gonna sell it. Too many pictures showing what's bad and too many headbumps against the wall for anybody to fall in love with eileen. Too bad... because I know you invested about double your asking price.
Author:  Bren67Cuda904 [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:34 pm ]
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main thing is that if your planning and goals are unrealistic you won't be happy with your newly acquired hemi. A/C on a 12 second car... I don't remotely see it with ANY streetable body/motor combo. Period.

Plus the guys are right about your motor. If you hadn't been so hard headed and insist on your evidently clue and helpless engine builder, you would have a 300 hp motor by now. That head is crap and the cam doesn't seems to match up with your oddball.

If I were you and wanting the big time revenge you seem to want out of this project, I would yank it and beat it with a large hammer until the biggest piece is a 1/2" nut.

I don't see how you gonna sell it. Too many pictures showing what's bad and too many headbumps against the wall for anybody to fall in love with eileen. Too bad... because I know you invested about double your asking price.
Are you saying you can't have a 12 second car equiped with A/C?

Ohh and I am not looking to see 12s just faster than most of your production mustangs with lite mods. Also I don't mind fliping the A/C OFF to do it. :lol:
Author:  argentina-slantsixer [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:31 am ]
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I say that 12's with A/C (on or off :lol: ) it's going to be a little hard. Sometimes you gotta give something to be in the game. I didn't realize that you still had the A/C on with your slant. I don't have the exact figures, but you would loose 50 lbs ballpark if you remove the A/C installation. Plus, those big ass compressors ALWAYS cost some horses, even when not on.
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