Because it makes people feel better to have more points!
C'mon Sar'nt, you know how this stuff goes...
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| Author: | Fopar [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:59 pm ] |
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I agree with big D on this What difference does it make if you give 1 point, 5 points, or 1000 points, as long as everyone does it the same? Richard |
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| Author: | Rob Simmons [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:01 pm ] |
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Because it makes people feel better to have more points! C'mon Sar'nt, you know how this stuff goes...
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| Author: | Mroldfart2u [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:02 pm ] |
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As someone who is looking in from out.... 1. Award attendance points for the meet. IE: 10 points for a 2 day, or 5 for just attending 1 day on a 2 day event. (with the stipulation of ACTUALLY running your car. (Tech pass etc) ) 2. Buy backs are ok, IF the field can SUPPORT it, otherwise none allowed. (Set the no on whatever can be agreed on) a 10 car field wouldnt really support it but could be doable. 3. Winner of buy back ladder WOULD be eligible to be involved in the primary ladder. 4. Points given in the buy back ladder would be exactly half of primary. 5. 50% of the money from buy back goes to track for the 'making' of another "ladder" (make it worth their time) the other can be awarded or tossed in a separate pot used for t-shirts etc. 6. IF buy back racer wins the 'primary' still the same thing 50% plus the purse. 7. Make the buy back at least 50% of original fee. Just an idea and an observation of what I would try and work out if I were trying to coordinate a 'fair' buy back. If i have stepped out of bounds I will just read and digest and will say I am sorry to have jumped in where I dont belong.... The "box" racing doesnt belong in WITH the footbrake racers IMHO. |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:26 pm ] |
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Quote: Winner of buy back ladder WOULD be eligible to be involved in the primary ladder.
This would be a major headache to do. We make up our own ladders and give them to the tower. To make one run and then redo another ladder would be a major hassle that I personally do not want to deal with. It is hard enough to get things straight with the tracks. I don't want to confuse them or myself any more than I already am.  But everyone keep talkin! Rick |
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| Author: | Fopar [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:55 pm ] |
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You lose, You Lose get over it. Points for attending a race are just that, why jack the number it will not cause any more to race. What about the lifetime numbers if you get more points for attending those numbers will mean Nothing! Richard |
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| Author: | Rob Simmons [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:19 am ] |
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Quote: What about the lifetime numbers..?
I hadn't thought of that... Richard  Did me going through and adding that all up and posting it (lifetime numbers / Career Points) stir something up I hadn't intended..?  If so,... That's just too bad!  I ain't changin' it. 
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| Author: | Fopar [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:42 am ] |
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So what you are saying is "It's going to be our way or the highway" Just what was so wrong about the way it was ?? Richard |
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| Author: | Rob Simmons [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:34 am ] |
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I wudn't sayin' that! I was just talkin' about postin' the career points (lifetime numbers) thing... I don't make no decisions here other than my own... And those usually ain't none too sound neither... Try & keep up here Sar'nt... I know yer a bit long in the tooth, but you still seem ta have most of yer faculties in order (sorta )
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:23 am ] |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPaIixH6WnA And yes, I been working on the Daytona today, so go pack sand.
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| Author: | Tom Drake [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:34 am ] |
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Speaking from experience....the only thing that will increase attendance is more $$$$$$. The bigger purse I paid the more cars that attended....the more records and bonus money I paid the more cars attended. You get the picture. My thoughts even when I was putting on the races was to try and cut down the number offered and raise the purses on those left. Lets say you have 23 cars on the East coast and only offered 4 races a year.....you would probably have 4 races with 20+ cars at each one. The more races you offer the more you spread out your racers. What good is a race with 4 cars? The races I held where even the 1st round runner-ups got $10-20 were the most heavily attended. When I took the $3000 a year and spread it out among three races attendance started falling off at all of them. If I had put that same amount into just one race it would probably still be around. The only reason the 1 point was added was to break ties at the end of the year. Which never made sense to me....say someone entered one race and scored 51 points and someone else entered 4 races and scored 54 points. Who is really the better racer and deserves the higher ranking? What difference would it make if you gave 1 million points for entering....if everyone there gets the same points then the only ones that matter are the round points. You can prove this with 2012 points....just go back and give everyone 100 points for every race they entered and see if it changes the final standings...  .Just a little food for thought.... |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:04 am ] |
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Again, we appreciate all opinions voiced here. I still think attendance points will attract some people and not drive away others. I am certainly willing to admit I'm wrong. We have a few voices here who are loudly voicing opinions. We will see what the masses think at the banquet(s). I am simply trying to get as many voices as possible involved in a vote. FYI, "The way it was" was developed over many years of rule changes since this series began in the late 90s. There will be no "my way or the highway" and certainly this attitude has never been applied since I have been helping run this series (about 5 yrs). AFAIK, there are NO purses currently in the West, and they still get good attendance. Go figure... Can we hear from some less experienced or possibly new racers about what they like? These are the people we are trying to attract. Thanks, Lou |
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| Author: | Team Green [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:05 am ] |
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I am not banned yet, so here is my opinion: You can't make the points too high or a rich guy with an enclosed trailer will take the championship. No to buy backs... we need to keep it simple. We should be thankful that the tracks are putting up with us. Mark |
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| Author: | Rob Simmons [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:17 am ] |
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Quote: I am not banned yet, ...
I thought you were banned years ago and just snuck back in... Mark I agree with ya on buy backs. Seems way too complicated from a coordinator's perspective. Clay City LOVES us!
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| Author: | Rob Simmons [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:48 pm ] |
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Quote: ...You can prove this with 2012 points....just go back and give everyone 100 points for every race they entered and see if it changes the final standings...
Well, it DID move things around for 2012... .Just a little food for thought.... It would REALLY have changed things up on the Career points (lifetime numbers)... CJ Stoakes........................1260 Andrew Howard..................1160 Wendy Pine........................1090 Richard Bjerklund...............1070 Jack Everhardt (Rookie)......1060 PJ Jesiolowski.....................1009 Lou Madsen..........................994 Meril Bruner.........................858 Allen Dutra...........................817 Doug Dutra..........................777 Mark Etheridge.....................752 Ryan Covalt.........................737 Gary Bruner.........................727 Frank Funk (Rookie)..............716 Aric Erickson........................706 Mark Murray........................666 Lukus Bruner.......................666 Ron Hamby.........................646 Mike Bjerklund....................626 Frank Wright.......................626 Whitney Covalt....................525 Courtney Bruner..................505 Charlie Schmid....................469 Brian Mimken......................444 Rob Simmons......................444 Brian Droschak....................444 Wayne Erickson...................434 Rodney Hargis.....................434 Denny Covalt......................434 Steve Adams (Rookie).........404 Chase Simmons (Rookie).....404 Rick Covalt.........................404 Micah Covalt.......................404 Will Burns...........................358 Sergio Gonzales..................343 Walt Skoczylas (Rookie).......323 Rob Armstrong....................323 Doug Powers.......................323 Mark Charapich...................323 Dave Mueller.......................313 Greg Ondayko.....................313 Phil Stoneback.....................252 Ken Kalis (Rookie)...............222 Randy Ashley......................222 Bruce Pine..........................212 David Endres.......................212 Romeo Furio........................212 David Erickson.....................212 Curtis Prater (Rookie)...........212 Matt Pyrak (Rookie)..............212 Charles Brooks Jr.................202 Aaron Heath.........................202 Larry Chesney......................202 Norm Foster.........................202 Mike Andreas (Rookie)..........202 Andrew Shank (Rookie)........202 Scott Jones..........................141 Jessica Howard....................141 Seymour Pederson..............131 Mike Keller..........................131 Mike Evans..........................121 Ken Anderson......................121 A. Spiva (Rookie).................111 Emily Booker (Rookie)..........111 Denny Buierl (Rookie)...........111 Brent Laney.........................101 Haliegh Laney (Rookie).........101 Austin Goodman (Rookie)......101 Jerry Keltner (Rookie)...........101 Kevin Esteb (Rookie).............101 Kevin Bradford (Rookie)........101 Darrin Marrion (Rookie).........101 Seth Howard (Rookie)............101 Joe Pettis (Rookie).................101 Terry Scott............................101 Nick Stavale (Rookie).............101 |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:59 pm ] |
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Quote: Clay City LOVES us! Wink
Mason Dixon Loves us too !!I too want to hear from those who are relatively new to our sport! I wish I was rich and could offer $500 to each 1st place winner at all 4 races, but I'm not. But I do try and go out of my way to make the new folks feel at home and make their first visits with us good experiences. We want them to enjoy racing with us and come back again. We also give back money to everyone at the race (even if it is $10) so they are not so discouraged when they get knocked out early. Rick |
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