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Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:02 pm ]
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Yes that really changed the east Coast standings. Champion and Rookie of the year too.
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:06 pm ]
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Here are the 2012 final standings for comparison with my last post:


CJ Stoakes - 260 - 70(Over 5) = 190
Andrew Howard - 160 - 20(Over 5) = 140
Allen Dutra - 117
Frank Funk (Rookie) - 116
PJ Jesiolowski - 109
Aric Erickson - 106
Lou Madsen - 94
Wendy Pine - 90
Doug Dutra - 77
Richard Bjerklund - 70
Charlie Schmid - 69
Mark Murray - 66
Lukus Bruner - 66
Jack Everhardt (Rookie) - 60
Will Burns - 58
Meril Bruner - 58
Phil Stoneback - 52
Mark Etheridge - 52
Ron Hamby - 46
Brian Mimken - 44
Rob Simmons - 44
Brian Droschak - 44
Sergio Gonzales - 43
Scott Jones - 41
Jessica Howard - 41
Ryan Covalt - 37
Wayne Erickson - 34
Rodney Hargis - 34
Denny Covalt - 34
Seymour Pederson - 31
Mike Keller - 31
Gary Bruner - 27
Mike Bjerklund - 26
Frank Wright - 26
Whitney Covalt - 25
Walt Skoczylas (Rookie) - 23
Rob Armstrong - 23
Doug Powers - 23
Mark Charapich - 23
Ken Kalis (Rookie) - 22
Randy Ashley - 22
Mike Evans - 21
Ken Anderson - 21
Greg Ondayko - 13
Dave Mueller - 13
Bruce Pine - 12
David Endres - 12
Romeo Furio - 12
David Erickson - 12
Curtis Prater (Rookie) - 12
Matt Pyrak (Rookie) - 12
A. Spiva (Rookie) - 11
Emily Booker (Rookie) - 11
Denny Buierl (Rookie) - 11
Courtney Bruner - 5
Steve Adams (Rookie) - 4
Chase Simmons (Rookie) - 4
Rick Covalt - 4
Micah Covalt - 4
Charles Brooks Jr. - 2
Aaron Heath - 2
Larry Chesney - 2
Norm Foster - 2
Mike Andreas (Rookie) - 2
Andrew Shank (Rookie - 2
Brent Laney - 1
Haliegh Laney (Rookie) - 1
Austin Goodman (Rookie) - 1
Jerry Keltner (Rookie) - 1
Kevin Esteb (Rookie) - 1
Kevin Bradford (Rookie) - 1
Darrin Marrion (Rookie) - 1
Seth Howard (Rookie) - 1
Joe Pettis (Rookie) - 1
Terry Scott - 1
Nick Stavale (Rookie) - 1
Author:  Dart270 [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:29 pm ]
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It is easy to put up straw men and knock them down. Arguments go nowhere in these cases. 100 pts is ridiculous, so why bother thinking about it.

Thanks for your new opinions, Mark and Rick.

Lou
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Straw Men...?
No straw men here... Just responding to a querry...

Here's what it would have looked like giving everyone 5 attendance points this year versus the current 1 point:

CJ Stoakes.............................310
Andrew Howard.......................210
PJ Jesiolowski..........................154
Allen Dutra..............................152
Frank Funk (Rookie).................146
Wendy Pine.............................140
Lou Madsen.............................139
Aric Erickson...........................136
Richard Bjerklund....................120
Doug Dutra.............................112
Jack Everhardt (Rookie)...........110
Meril Bruner..............................98
Mark Murray..............................96
Lukus Bruner.............................96
Charlie Schmid..........................89
Mark Etheridge..........................87
Ron Hamby...............................76
Will Burns.................................73
Ryan Covalt..............................72
Brian Mimken............................64
Rob Simmons............................64
Brian Droschak..........................64
Gary Bruner..............................62
Phil Stoneback...........................62
Sergio Gonzales.........................58
Mike Bjerklund...........................56
Frank Wright..............................56
Wayne Erickson..........................54
Rodney Hargis............................54
Denny Covalt.............................54
Whitney Covalt...........................50
Scott Jones................................46
Jessica Howard..........................46
Walt Skoczylas (Rookie)..............38
Rob Armstrong...........................38
Doug Powers..............................38
Mark Charapich..........................38
Seymour Pederson.....................36
Mike Keller.................................36
Ken Kalis (Rookie)......................32
Randy Ashley.............................32
Courtney Bruner.........................30
Dave Mueller..............................28
Greg Ondayko............................28
Mike Evans.................................26
Ken Anderson.............................26
Steve Adams (Rookie).................24
Chase Simmons (Rookie).............24
Rick Covalt.................................24
Micah Covalt...............................24
Bruce Pine..................................22
David Endres..............................22
Romeo Furio...............................22
David Erickson............................22
Curtis Prater (Rookie)..................22
Matt Pyrak (Rookie).....................22
A. Spiva (Rookie)........................16
Emily Booker (Rookie).................16
Denny Buierl (Rookie)..................16
Charles Brooks Jr........................12
Aaron Heath................................12
Larry Chesney.............................12
Norm Foster.................................12
Mike Andreas (Rookie).................12
Andrew Shank (Rookie)................12
Brent Laney...................................6
Haliegh Laney (Rookie)...................6
Austin Goodman (Rookie)................6
Jerry Keltner (Rookie).....................6
Kevin Esteb (Rookie).......................6
Kevin Bradford (Rookie)..................6
Darrin Marrion (Rookie)...................6
Seth Howard (Rookie).....................6
Joe Pettis (Rookie)..........................6
Terry Scott.....................................6
Nick Stavale (Rookie)......................6
Author:  Fopar [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:50 pm ]
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If you look at my point standing, with 1 point/race I am 10th - with 5 points/race I go to 9th - with 100 points/race I move to 4th.
I am fine with 1 point per race after all it has worked for years.
Last year P.J. and I were tied for 2nd, but she had gone to 1 more race than I and got the 1 point that got her 2nd place.

Richard
Author:  Tom Drake [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:09 am ]
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...You can prove this with 2012 points....just go back and give everyone 100 points for every race they entered and see if it changes the final standings... :wink:.

Just a little food for thought....
Well, it DID move things around for 2012... :?

It would REALLY have changed things up on the Career points (lifetime numbers)... :shock:

CJ Stoakes........................1260
Andrew Howard..................1160
Wendy Pine........................1090
Richard Bjerklund...............1070
Jack Everhardt (Rookie)......1060
PJ Jesiolowski.....................1009
Lou Madsen..........................994
Meril Bruner.........................858
Allen Dutra...........................817
Doug Dutra..........................777
Mark Etheridge.....................752
Ryan Covalt.........................737
Gary Bruner.........................727
Frank Funk (Rookie)..............716
Aric Erickson........................706
Mark Murray........................666
Lukus Bruner.......................666
Ron Hamby.........................646
Mike Bjerklund....................626
Frank Wright.......................626
Whitney Covalt....................525
Courtney Bruner..................505
Charlie Schmid....................469
Brian Mimken......................444
Rob Simmons......................444
Brian Droschak....................444
Wayne Erickson...................434
Rodney Hargis.....................434
Denny Covalt......................434
Steve Adams (Rookie).........404
Chase Simmons (Rookie).....404
Rick Covalt.........................404
Micah Covalt.......................404
Will Burns...........................358
Sergio Gonzales..................343
Walt Skoczylas (Rookie).......323
Rob Armstrong....................323
Doug Powers.......................323
Mark Charapich...................323
Dave Mueller.......................313
Greg Ondayko.....................313
Phil Stoneback.....................252
Ken Kalis (Rookie)...............222
Randy Ashley......................222
Bruce Pine..........................212
David Endres.......................212
Romeo Furio........................212
David Erickson.....................212
Curtis Prater (Rookie)...........212
Matt Pyrak (Rookie)..............212
Charles Brooks Jr.................202
Aaron Heath.........................202
Larry Chesney......................202
Norm Foster.........................202
Mike Andreas (Rookie)..........202
Andrew Shank (Rookie)........202
Scott Jones..........................141
Jessica Howard....................141
Seymour Pederson..............131
Mike Keller..........................131
Mike Evans..........................121
Ken Anderson......................121
A. Spiva (Rookie).................111
Emily Booker (Rookie)..........111
Denny Buierl (Rookie)...........111
Brent Laney.........................101
Haliegh Laney (Rookie).........101
Austin Goodman (Rookie)......101
Jerry Keltner (Rookie)...........101
Kevin Esteb (Rookie).............101
Kevin Bradford (Rookie)........101
Darrin Marrion (Rookie).........101
Seth Howard (Rookie)............101
Joe Pettis (Rookie).................101
Terry Scott............................101
Nick Stavale (Rookie).............101
And that is the point you are rewarding people for traveling not winning rounds...is that really what you want in a RACING series?? If you do not drop the attendance points and give 5 points per race...if someone attends 10 races that is like winning a 50 point race....is that fair? Just 2 pts for attending will change the final standings. Attendance at 5 races at 2 pts each equal one round win.
Author:  Tom Drake [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:57 am ]
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AFAIK, there are NO purses currently in the West, and they still get good attendance. Go figure...
This might be one reason you see better attendance on the west coast...options.

West coast -
Wash - 5 track in the entire state
Oregon - 7 tracks
Cali - 14 tracks.
Nevada - 2 tracks

East coast -
NC - 21 tracks
SC - 11 tracks
VA - 10 tracks
TN - 15 tracks
PA - 7 tracks
OH - 14 tracks
Fl - 13 tracks

What works on the west coast might not work on the east just because these racers have far more opportunities to race. If the economy does not start getting better it is something to think about. I can not imagine what some of you guys are spending in gas these days to make some of these races.
Author:  Dart270 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:20 am ]
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Why would fewer tracks give more options?

Lou
Author:  Fopar [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:30 pm ]
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Fewer places to race = more racers at tracks!

I don't think Oregon has more than 5 tracks with 2 being 1/4 mile.

Richard
Author:  Dart270 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:57 pm ]
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OK, I am thinking as a totally myopic Slant 6 racer... Good point. :oops: :?

Lou
Author:  Rick Covalt [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:13 pm ]
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Wish I knew what "myopic" was! It must be somethin really smart since Lou is using it !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  Fopar [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:19 pm ]
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Definition: 1. being nearsighted--having myopia; 2. lacking foresight or understanding. Synonyms: nearsighted, short-sighted, narrow-minded, closed- minded ...

I don't think narrow or closed minded are to be included with Lou's comments. :lol:

Richard
Author:  ceej [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:40 pm ]
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Fewer places to race = more racers at tracks!

I don't think Oregon has more than 5 tracks with 2 being 1/4 mile.

Richard
I think you overlooked Lakeview Richard.

Current list is:

PIR, Woodburn, Champion, Coos Bay 1/8, Madras 1/8, Lakeview 1/8. All NHRA member tracks.
With Redding's possible move to IHRA, there is the question of what Medford will decide. Tonight racers are getting together to meet the new prospective operator of Medford.
Still haven't heard what the final decision was at Redding. To go by the web site, they are still NHRA.

Southern Oregon is Medford. (White City.) The web crawlers haven't figured it out . Thunder Mountain doesn't seem to exist in Baker City any more.

Correct me if Baker City is still in operation.

I'd hazard a guess that everyone heads for Boise to race Firebird.

CJ
Author:  slantzilla [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:22 am ]
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That's exactly what Blankencrook found out when he expanded the Classic events to 8 races instead of 4. Rather than have 8 events the size of the 4 he started with, he now had 8 small events. Except for the really hard core points chasers, most people can't afford to go to more events and choose to stay closer to home.

Honestly, I have no clue how to grow the series without throwing more money at it. Remember, our class consists of vehicles powered by motors that have been out of production 25 years. It's getting harder and harder to convince people that racing a Slant is a sane idea in the first place. Around here it is getting really hard to find Slant cars that are not rusted to the ground, or that have already been V-8ed.

It's kind of a Catch 22. To get more race cars you need to throw more money in purses. More race cars will chase street cars away because newbs can easily get disillusioned having to compete against real race cars all the time. :shock:
Author:  madmax/6 [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:43 pm ]
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I just want 1/8th mile splits,$100 purse per record,and 100 points per new record.Sounds fair to me, :D :D
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