Hey Rod,
Hello.
Alright. Is there a way to check the continuity to Ground from the Control Module?
Alright.
Am going to have to spend this morning running errands. The weather guessers have rain scheduled for tomorrow through the middle of next week, and I don't like to take Ms. American out in the rain. So am going to be doing next week's errands today.

Anyway, thanks for the heads-up.

JC

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Hey Reed,
Would be REALLY easy to do.

Once the Assembly is in place will check to see if it has a good Ground. If it doesn't will put a "ground strap" in place.

Was looking at the Electronic Distributor with the Distributor Cap with the top cut out of it.

When the Ridge on the Reluctor is PRECISELY lined up with the Ridge on the Pick-Up Coil, the Rotor is pointing PRECISELY at the Number One Spark Plug Tower Terminal.

It is NOT where the leading edge of the Rotor is at the leading edge of the Terminal.

There doesn't seem to be any way to adjust that.

Are we looking at a problem here?

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Mr. E,
If Lorrie gets the Female Socket to Male HEI Adaptor, will be ordering the PROPER MSD 8.5mm Spark Plug Wires, which would make the total bill to where SummitRacing would give the order "Free Shipping".

Would I be safe in assuming that putting these Adapters on Lorrie's Distributor Cap is an OK thing to do. It would certainly make getting the MSD Spark Plug Wires easier.

Anyway, thanks for the reference.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Sunday Morning Update:

Installed the NEW NOS Electronic Distributor this morning. The Number One Piston is at TDC. The Rotor's leading edge is at the Number One Spark Plug Wire Terminal. The Ridge on the Reluctor is just slightly ahead of the Ridge on the Pick-Up Coil. And the Distributor is turned as far as it will go counter-clockwise. It could be that the Distributor is installed one tooth too far counter-clockwise.

Got the Control Module/Heat Sink/Ignition Coil/Heat Shield Assembly temporarily installed. It is bolted to Lorrie's Floor. There is a removable Floor section that fits over the Assembly. The Assembly was installed so as to be able to measure for the Wiring.

Here are the JPGs of the Control Module/Heat Sink/Ignition Coil/Heat Shield Assembly. A fresh, cool, dry air supply Hose fits over the circular sheet metal ring just to the right of the Ignition Coil's HEI Output Fitting:



This JPG is of the same Assembly but a bit more "head-on" view showing how the fresh air supply will be hitting the Control Module/Heat Sink Assembly:



This next JPG is of the Control Module/Heat Sink/Ignition Coil/Heat Shield Assembly installed in Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine Bay. The Gold shape in the lower left hand corner is Lorrie's Valve Cover. Notice the Heat Shield between the Engine and the Control Module/Heat Sink Assembly



This last JPG is of the same unit but viewed from the other side. Notice the Heat Shield between the Engine and the Control Module/Heat Sink Assembly.



It has gotten too hot to continue working outside. Have cleaned up the tools and materials. Have closed Lorrie up for the rest of the day.

Will keep you all updated on further progress.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

VERY nice work! I really like your attention to detail, such as the fresh air hose for cooing the HEI unit. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you, but I don't think you will need much luck to get this project successfully completed.

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"And the Distributor is turned as far as it will go counter-clockwise. It could be that the Distributor is installed one tooth too far counter-clockwise."

Look under the distributer for a bolt, you can move the plate to get more movement.

Richard

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Hey Reed,
Thanks for the kind words!
It just seemed to me that IF the Control Module needed a Heat Sink, that it could probably stand all the cooling it could get. That was the reason for not only the fresh air Hose for cooling the unit, but also the Heat Shield between the Engine and the HEI Unit.

On Lorrie, the Alternator is on the Manifold Side of the Engine, and the Exhaust Manifold was heating up the Alternator. A Heat Shield between the Alternator and the Exhaust Manifold was installed, and that stopped the over-heating of the Alternator. So the Heat Shield on the HEI Unit is Lorrie's second Heat Shield.
Am getting ready to make up the Wires to connect everything. Then will have to remove the HEI Assembly and double nut all the Bolts, make sure that everything is tight, then cut off the excess Bolt threads.

Then it will just be a matter of reinstalling the HEI Assembly, and installing the Wiring, and we'll see if this HEI Ignition System will work as advertised.

Am hoping that I have enough understanding of it to be able to adjust it properly.

Reed, I don't know what I'm going to do if this doesn't work!

That'll be another one of them "Cross THAT bridge when we come to it." kind of things.

Anyway, thanks for the response.

Hope YOU are well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Richard,
There IS another Bolt on the underside of the Distributor. But I thought THAT Bolt was adjusted at the Factory and shouldn't be messed with.

There is STILL something that I don't yet understand:

The Ridges on the Reluctor sweep past the Permanent Magnet that is positioned just BEFORE the Pick Up Coil.

There is a Ridge on the Pick Up Coil.

Am assuming that the Ignition Coil fires when the Ridge on the Reluctor passes the Ridge on the Pick Up Coil.

When any given Ridge on the Reluctor is PRECISELY even with the Ridge on the Pick Up Coil, the Rotor is PRECISELY lined up with the Terminal in the Distributor Cap. By that I mean: The trailing edge of the Rotor is even with the leading edge of the Spark Plug Terminal in the Distributor Cap, and the leading edge of Rotor is even with the trailing edge of the Spark Plug Terminal.

Am assuming that this is going to be the Spark Plug firing at TDC, which is how Lorrie is supposed to be timed.

What I don't understand is: The relationship between (A) the Ridges on the Reluctor, and the Ridge on the Pick Up Coil, AND (B) the relationship between the Rotor and the Spark Plug Terminal cannot be changed. HOW can one get the basic timing to be five degrees BTDC which would be that when the Ridges lined up, the leading edge of the Rotor is even with the leading edge of the Spark Plug Terminal?

Wouldn't it have to be that the Ridges on the Reluctor should be EVEN with the Ridge on the Pick Up Coil, when the leading edge of the Rotor is even with the leading edge of the Spark Plug Terminal in the Distributor Cap?

Would the Bolt on the underside of the Distributor, of which you speak be able to alter the relationship between the Reluctor Ridges and the Rotor?

Inquiring minds want to know.

There is just so damn much that I don't know about all this. And here I am right smack dab in the middle of it, just flying on faith that it's all going to work as advertised.

At least Reed thinks it's going to work. I hope he's right.

Anyway, thanks for the response and the tip.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Whoever told you that? It's not true.

Say, JCAllison, did you ever get the Stockel and Petersen books…?

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You are overcomplicating things. Just trust that it will work, set your timing, and be happy. The bolt on the bottom of the distributor doesn't change the relationship between the reluctor and the pickup. It just is another slot that allows the distributor to move. Look at the distributor on the right in the picture below:



The bolt on the bottom just slides in a slot on the other end of the hold-down tab.

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Hey Daniel,
Well, you see? There you go! Don't remember where that impression came from. As I recall it was a comment made either here on on another Dodge Forum.
As a matter of fact, I haven't.

JC

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Hey Reed,
It comes from the practice of contemplating and visualizing how a given thing needs to be dealt with. A lot of research reading is done to get a general idea of what needs doing. Once that is acquired, the necessary Components are obtained, and then begins the visualizing process of how to put everything together. That's the fun part of all this. The next most enjoyable part is when the actual doing of the deed is in progress. The learning takes place in the noticing of how similar or dis-similar is the actuality from the visualization.
Alright. I will try.
Is it correct that there IS no adjustment available to change the relationship between the Reluctor and the Rotor?
Alright.
Am looking at Lorrie's OLD Standard Points&Condenser Distributor. It is obvious to me that the Bolt on the underside of the Distributor makes it possible to adjust the Body of the Distributor in relationship to the Shaft of the Distributor. While the OTHER Bolt makes it possible to adjust the relationship of the WHOLE Distributor in relationship to the Cam Shaft/Engine Block.

QUESTION: Are the Ridges on the Reluctor capable of making the Ignition Coil Fire BEFORE they actually reach being at their closest point to the Ridge in the Pick Up Coil?

Am unable to comprehend HOW the timing advances if the relationship between the Reluctor and the Rotor doesn't change.

Anyway, just have to trust that everything will be alright. Going to keep the faith, and try to maintain a happy demeanor!

Will let you know how it all works out.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

The plate the pickup mounts on rotates. It is pulled by the vacuum advance pod and it also is rotated by the weights spinning under the plate. Thus, the relationship between the pickup and the reluctor fins does change.

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Hey Reed,
Knew that the Vacuum Advance and the Centrifugal Advance mechanisms did something to advance the timing, but it was never that clear in my head.
Alright. That eases my trepidations a bit.

Thanks for the reassurance.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Kinda figured. Guess your shoes and trousers are pretty well soaked by now; those books will help you to stop peeing into the wind.

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