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| Author: | stinky mctinkerpants [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | alternator conversion |
made the conversion to a delco internally regulated self exciting 65 amp.  sorry to all those mopar only freaks but i could'nt find a decent mopar upgrade. wiring was a snap but i had to custom fab the bracket. had the alternator specially built at socal starter and alternator in glendale. steve there really knows his electrical:D http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drgreasyp ... pg&.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drgreasyp ... pg&.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drgreasyp ... pg&.src=ph 
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:03 pm ] |
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How much did you pay to have it rebuilt? I hope not much because I believe that alternator stock is also around 65a. I made a similar setup for my car. I installed a GM/delco/etc alternator, a high amp rebuilt (200+) by powermaster. Its the same (or similar) case as your new delco. Cut two lengths of steel, about 1" wide and 2" long and drilled holes on both ends, then used stacks of washers to get the alignment right. I have pictures of it posted if you search by my username and the word alternator. |
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| Author: | stinky mctinkerpants [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | maybe |
according to steve the mopar stock was only about 25-30 amps. and the gm is not rebuilt, its new (no core) worth the $90 to me. nice bracket, the one i got was a 180 deg bolt pattern so i had to make something a little more complex so it won't dance. I used cut down tube spacers from a honda motorcycle frame for alignment, they are perfect size for 3/8" bolts. pretty much 1/8" thick tube, galvy gas line plumbing is also good but I don't know if they make it that small. i went 65a because i am not trying to fry the old wires but i do like your idea of wiring right to the battery. add water much? 
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:06 pm ] |
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Ah sorry I meant the GM alternator was 65 amps stock. Your right most of our stock slant alternators were 30ish amps or so. $90 is a good deal for a new unit. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:48 pm ] |
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"Couldn't find a good Mopar upgrade"? Er, what? Any late-model Mopar alternator (='89 and newer) from a RWD car or truck will bolt on with extremely minor bracket mods, and even work with the stock regulator circuitry. |
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| Author: | kesteb [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:30 am ] |
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A MOPAR 65a alternator could be had with any '70s or later vehicle with a lot of power accesories. Mine came from a '75 Dart Custom Broughham with power everything. |
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| Author: | stinky mctinkerpants [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | yikes |
i talked about later model mopar alts with steve and i could'nt believe even on new cars they have an external regulator and they did'nt seem that well built either. they were also in the 40-50a range. when my alternator went i had a brand new regulator and i had not been able to get a steady charge. the gms are cheap, contained and simple and parts are readily available. In a completly original car I can understand bieng brand specific to keep its value, i guess. but this alternator is smooth. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:51 am ] |
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If you couldn't find 'em, you weren't looking. They are literally all over the place. The Nippondenso, Bosch and Chrysler-built alternators used since '89 are highly efficient and reliable, donno what you saw that makes you think they're "not well built". And given what I know about the unreliability of GM's recent-design alternators... ...NO THANKS! |
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| Author: | Bob D [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:22 pm ] |
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I have a '95 Buick wagon. Got it with about 70K miles. It now has 130K miles and I've had to replace the alternator three times. My '69 Barracuda has had the same 60 amp Mopar alternator at least since I got it in 1981 (about 150K miles ago). Bob D |
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| Author: | stinky mctinkerpants [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | come on... |
Quote: I have a '95 Buick wagon. Got it with about 70K miles. It now has 130K miles and I've had to replace the alternator three times.
Quote: And given what I know about the unreliability of GM's recent-design alternators...
hey did you guys look at the pics? does the link work? the alternator is a mid 70's to mid 80's style gm it is newly manufactured and set up by an alternator specialist. i had the mopar option, with an external regulator, once again they are old technology and i did not want one. i do not want an external regulator at all, they are trouble and extra money, i would have spent another 40 bucks just to stay mopar with less amp output. do you get it now, dan? do you know what an internal regulator is? people up grade to these gm alternators in all sorts of cars, euro, japanese and american instead of bosch or nippy or mopar or motorcrap. i was not asking for advise i was sharing a good conversion experience. i hope somebody benifitted from this. 
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| Author: | Rust collector [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:21 pm ] |
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He said this one works, so all is good, isn´t it? Nice dart! |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:39 pm ] |
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Quote: with an external regulator, once again they are old technology and they are trouble
I'm sorry, but you're simply not correct. They're not "old technology", they're simply mounted in a different location. And they're not "trouble".It's great that you're happy with your conversion and all, but saying stuff that's factually incorrect doesn't help anyone. |
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| Author: | Chrycoman [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:14 pm ] |
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Chrysler first offered the alternator as an option to the general public in 1960. In that year the alternator came as 30 amp, 35 amp, 40 amp and 60 amp. As the years progressed higher output alternators were added as the number of options needing power increased. In 1983 they were up to 110 amp. That you could not find a Mopar alternator just does not hold water. Any yard or auto electric shop could have pulled one off the shelf. Now, with your fancy "new technology" alternator with built-in regulator, what happens when the regulator goes? With Chrysler's "old technology", when the regulator goes you simply unbolt the old one from the firewall and install a new one. Less than 5 minutes and you are done. Get back to us when the regulator on your GM unit goes. And tell us how much it cost and the time involved. |
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| Author: | sandy in BC [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:48 pm ] |
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I have installed the good old style Delcos on Volvos with good success. The Bosch alt was worth $200 at the time ,,,the delco $65. I have several GM vehicles with the newer more troublesome units. On my Valaint I use a stock 65 amp unit from a 75 Disco Edition Dart Brouhaha. It bolted right on gives me no grief. I dont get why your man suggested this. I am all for replacing a $#!+ design with a better unit (my Mustang trans in my Valaint as an example). But methinks this was silly. |
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| Author: | stinky mctinkerpants [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | alright already |
seriously did any of you read what i actually wrote. my alternator guy just set it up for me. it was my idea not his. he had a bunch of alternators from chrysler i could have easily bought one. I did not because i have had only good experiences with the gm internal regs, they are much smoother without any of the jolting i have experienced from mopar. IF FOR NOTHING ELSE I SAVED 40 BUCKS. ALternators are tricky buisness and subject to alot of abuse by other electrical issues and they can vary by regional factory. i am sorry i insulted your precious external regulators, keep'em i really don't care. this is the first place i have ever had anyone say an external is better than an internal and i have only seen a drastic improvement every time i make the conversion. i have found the delco and my electrical in general to be more reliable every time i make the swap. This is also the first tech forum i have had so many negitive and vindictive responses from people who don't have alot of facts and make alot of assumtions. not just in this thread and not just to me. If you all know so much why don't you outline that for cats with older cars instead of jumping all over me. I am not impressed by this crap and you are intimidating newer members. this is a forum and people are free to have an opinion, this is mine. If you want to criticize it thats your perogative but read what i write don't put untrue words in my mouth (on my screen). I have done alot of wrenching, welding and electrical, I don't go in asking the local alternator guy for advise, I find a good one and I tell him what i want and he provides. stop bitching and go work on your car. |
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