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Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  eBay horse...trading
Take a look

The seller is full of poo, or maybe he's high on glue. It's not Australian, and it's debatable whether it qualifies as a "factory prototype" from 1960 or any other year. (there were the diesel-powered Barreiros Darts of Spain, 1965-'69, but those weren't Valiants!) There were also no 5-speed-on-the-column stick shifts in Chrysler products of any model year in any market, and there were no column shifters on any A-body cars in any market before the (US, S-series) 1962 model year. Also, the car as shown is not a 1960, it is a 1961 with a 1960 grille. Also, he states it's a 5-speed standard-shift on the column AND that it's a pushbutton auto.

Somebody did a heck of a hack job. It's interesting in a "Red Green Show" kind of a way, but I think it's very dubious to claim it as some kind of rare factory setup.

Too bad somebody had to hack up a very scarce RHD '61 Valiant like that. Probably even rustier underneath than up top, too.

:-( :-(
Author:  argentina-slantsixer [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:09 am ]
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i don't question that seller is full of it, but...

we had 3 on the tree in 1960 (first valiant ever seen in argentina) manual shift. We never got an auto valiant.
And around 1960-late like 68 or 69 we had a factory equipped diesel "perkins" motor.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:59 am ]
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i don't question that seller is full of it, but...

we had 3 on the tree in 1960 (first valiant ever seen in argentina) manual shift.
Interesting...the one (and only) pre-1962 Argentine Valiant I've ever seen pictures of, had a 3-speed manual floor shift. All the '62s seem to have 3-on-the-tree. But I'm sure you've seen more '60-'61 Argentine-market Valiants than I have.
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68 or 69 we had a factory equipped diesel "perkins" motor.
Eek!
Author:  Rust collector [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:58 am ]
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I wouldn´t mind a diesel a-body.

I hate perkins, but they aer not nearly as crappy as I want them to be :wink:
Author:  argentina-slantsixer [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:19 am ]
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pre 62 valiants were us import units assembled in argentina. They used to eat the auto trans and alternator in the process and you most likely ended up with a dynamo and 3 on the tree car. Never seen a 2 door, heard about 2 units having pushbutton auto (they were specially reserved for the chairman and the second of chrysler-fevre argentina)

I hate diesels but the perkins engines that they used here were very bulletproof. 6 cyls, good economy and power. The 4 doors with perkins ended up (and was intended to) being 99% taxis. Some D100 and D200 got perkinsed up during one of our many economic crisis...
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Curiouser and Curiouser!
OK, we've got an update. The seller has (badly) posted a bunch of new pictures in the auction, each with its own clickable link. Car is in VERY poor condition, lots of rust. He's given the VIN, so I'm going to put in for a build record from DC. Steering column looks non-original to the car. "Pushbutton trans" is actually heater pushbuttons. Weird sorta cloverleaf-intersection logo bolted to fender is something Argentina-Slantsixer might be able to comment on. (Juan?)
Author:  NewLancerMan [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:18 pm ]
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I looked at this a little while back and just laughed. I like the new "EASY RESTORATION" comment at the bottom. If that's easy, wow. That thing looks like it spent the last 30 years down the side of a mountain or something. Hardly an easy restoration ;-)

Where is the column shifter?

http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/331/15/va ... 208560.jpg

MJ
Author:  sixsignet [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Wasn't Canada driving on the right side of the road by 1950?
http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php? ... ntry558731

Why would they make a right-hand drive car in 1960 in Canada?

Oh, yeah. I forgot. Quebec.
Author:  Valianator [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:07 pm ]
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:shock:
That is just... just....
Strange!

From what I can see in the pics, the diesel swap actually looks like it was done fairly well, as custom swaps go- looks like it might be an aftermarket conversion of some sort. The emblem on the fender also makes me think so.
What I wonder is: what in the world is a right-hand-drive Valiant doing in the USA? Anybody know if the post office ordered any? It would make sence as the RHD parts existed for the Austrailian-market cars.

I'd have to shift that trans through all five gears myself before I'd believe that's actually a five-on-the-tree. I'd bet dollars to donuts it's a three-speed.

For some reason I'd love to have that car- just wierd enough for my tastes! :D
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:25 pm ]
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:shock: That is just... just....Strange!
Yep!
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From what I can see in the pics, the diesel swap actually looks like it was done fairly well, as custom swaps go
In this case, the problem might not be so much with the implementation, but with the concept.
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emblem on the fender also makes me think so.
The emblem on the fender was found on certain Argentine Chrysler products.
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What I wonder is: what in the world is a right-hand-drive Valiant doing in the USA?
Most likely explanation is it was ordered for specialty fleet service (rural mail delivery, parking enforcement, meter reading, that sort of thing).
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For some reason I'd love to have that car- just wierd enough for my tastes! :D
Too bad it's so rusty, or it might be worth going in after as a restoration project.
Author:  Valianator [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:54 pm ]
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emblem on the fender also makes me think so.
The emblem on the fender was found on certain Argentine Chrysler products.
Were they diesels?

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For some reason I'd love to have that car- just wierd enough for my tastes! :D
Too bad it's so rusty, or it might be worth going in after as a restoration project.
One could always swap the RHD parts, the diesel, and that emblem into another 1st gen Val and build a clone!
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wasn't Canada driving on the right side of the road by 1
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Why would they make a right-hand drive car in 1960 in Canada?
Because that's where most all of the export cars and CKDs were produced.
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Oh, yeah. I forgot. Quebec.
Quebec, like the rest of Canada, drives on the RH side of the road, not the left, and was doing so decades before the Valiant was introduced in 1960.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:08 pm ]
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The emblem on the fender was found on certain Argentine Chrysler products.
Were they diesels?[/quote]

Don't believe so, waiting for Argentina-Slantsixer on that one.
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One could always swap the RHD parts, the diesel, and that emblem into another 1st gen Val and build a clone!
That'd be tough. Different floorpan, different firewall, different K-frame...
Author:  argentina-slantsixer [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:22 am ]
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Been looking.

A) logo. That's the badge that our factory equipped perkins diesel cars used to have. It's the perkins logo.
B) column: we had that column till 64
C) steering wheel: never saw one of those in a early a-body
D) column shift: looks exactly like our 3 on the tree setup for those cars.
E) 5 speeds my ass! wait... if you count neutral and reverse as speeds... hehe
F) upholstery look pretty much like our '61-'62s
G)tail lenses assy and front grille, we never got those.
Author:  VDART [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:13 am ]
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come on guys --- the white powdery stuff adds to the rarity of this car--

notice the factory wheels & broken studs!!!

This is an E-Z restore!!!

Add some trans-x & it will be good (had to add that DW!)

Really - not too many parts on that thing look to be useable (dash pod & grille surround-- look ok)

It's still worth what someone will pay
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