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Author:  sparky [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Transmission not responding!!!! need help
Hey all
,i have a 63 dart 170 - love the car had it 3 years as a daily driver an bought it off the original owner. the records show that the torque flight tranny has never been rebuilt or tampered with. An, earlier today it went unresponsive. it started with me pushing it ( push button AT) to R (reverse) to back out of the lot, an it took a bit but it did.
When i pushed into D(drive) it waited a bit then took. it ran in D for a while til it came to a stop. when i re-accelerated it acted like it skipped 1st an went straight to 2nd.... i got a block from home where i had to make a right hand turn to a hill, when the transmission didnt respond at all. acting like it was in neutral. i checked the fluid , its at a good level but there is Now a New small leak . prolly from doing a through fluid check ( i.e. running each gear once over).
rather long winded but i wanted to get the the info out:
any ideas on what it is?
- filter dirty?
-cables stuck?
-to much/ to lil' fluid?
-???
-if i need a rebuild tehn i need a rebuild but the gears werent crunching or grinding.
any help would be apprciated.
Thanks
jeff from so cal
Author:  Reed [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:04 pm ]
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Take it someplace and have them flush the transmission and replace the filter.

If that doesn't fix it, have the bands adjusted.

If that still doesn't fix it, it may be rebuild time.
Author:  sparky [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:24 pm ]
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aww great thanks! thats a releif funds are low... the more i can avoid the better. thanks again.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:26 pm ]
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whoah, hold it, there, Reed!

The Torqueflite is a transmission, not a toilet. It does not need to be flushed, and doing so will almost certainly cause a great deal more problems than it could possibly solve. Remember, these transmissions can be fully drained without any abusive "flush" operation. The pan has a drain plug on a '63, making it relatively clean and easy to drain the main housing. The torque converter, too, has a drain plug, accessed by simply removing the sheetmetal cover at the bottom of the bellhousing and rotating the torque converter (bumping with the starter) until the drain plug is visible at the bottom.

Once that's done, the pan can be removed. The inside of the pan and the intake screen should be inspected; if there's a lot of sludge, the transmission's health is in doubt.

Assuming no major chips 'n' chunks or mud are found, the pan and screen should be cleaned, the two bands adjusted per factory specs, the pan reinstalled (see below) and the trans refilled with your choice of transmission fluid (my choice is either a good brand of Dexron or Mopar ATF+4, but not ATF+3).

The filter on your '63 is a bit of a problem. It is not inside the pan as is the case with '64-up transmissions. It's an external canister-type filter, in one of the trans cooler lines, and clipped to the side of the engine block just below the starter motor. These are now difficult to find; Pat Blais ( tflitepatty@verizon.net ) may still have some of them.

See This thread for discussion on converting to the '64-'65 in-pan filter. It's not difficult, but you must use a '64-up pan, and you cannot use a '66-up filter.

These early transmissions aren't dreadfully complex, but they have enough service oddities that just handing one over to a modern service facility (rather than spoon-feeding them the right info and parts, or finding someone genuinely qualified and knowledgeable to work on them) is practically guaranteed to bring heartache, tears and early transmission failure.

"Flushing" operations are a last-resort tactic on later-model transmissions that tend to "cook" the fluid and come without torque converter drain plugs.
Author:  sparky [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:51 pm ]
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Funny thing you should mention that "Slant six Dan". i was checking the tranny filter which is actualy very easy to disassemble. the filter had a lil dirt in there mostly rust from the radiator it looks like. but im having a very hard time taking the back casing off to see the other side. i called up my uncles shop an asked him if theres any "trustworthy" and "knowledgeable " mechanic s near me , an theres this old guy named ted at sunland transmissions that was in ww2 with my grandfather. luck to be had he works with his son an grandson there an they said they could rebuild the tranny for around 550$ including tax an all that other crapola -it has been 43 years since the thing came off the assembly line it prolly needs a good overhaul they too said that the tranny filter for the 63' would be pretty hard to find if i indeed need to replace mine. at which case it seems very hard to really clean it...the bigger problem was explained to me that the gear cables where going to really be hard to find if infact i need one. my uncle has a push button for a 65 dart ( the cables an box) was wondering also if that would fit.
again thnaks so much for the info you guys are great
thanks to you Slant six Dan for giving me both the link for extra filters, an the step by step for "flushing..aka...cleaning the tranny "
~jeff
Author:  CStryker [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:04 pm ]
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How is flushing harmful if done properly? The way I've always heard/seen it done, you disconnect the lines from the cooler, and pour a steady supply of clean fluid in the suction side, while it sprays the nasty stuff out the discharge side. I don't see how this would hurt anything...
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:37 pm ]
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i was checking the tranny filter which is actualy very easy to disassemble.
Err...huh? The filter is not made to be disassembled. It's crimped together. That's assuming you've still got the original filter style rather than some kind of aftermarket replacement (maybe someone makes an aftermarket in-line filter that can be diassembled).
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the filter had a lil dirt in there mostly rust from the radiator it looks like. but im having a very hard time taking the back casing off to see the other side.
If you're finding dirt and rust, that's not such a good thing. :-(
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i called up my uncles shop an asked him if theres any "trustworthy" and "knowledgeable " mechanic s near me , an theres this old guy named ted at sunland transmissions that was in ww2 with my grandfather.
Sounds perfect!
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the tranny filter for the 63' would be pretty hard to find if i indeed need to replace mine.
Yeah, you do need to replace yours.
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problem was explained to me that the gear cables where going to really be hard to find if infact i need one.
You can get new gear cables from Imperial Services, probably also from tflitepatty@verizon.net (Torqueflite Patty, who also may have the '63 filter etc.)

Or you can just refer to the post I linked to in my previous response in this thread and get a new pan and '64-'65 in-pan filter.
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my uncle has a push button for a 65 dart ( the cables an box) was wondering also if that would fit.
The trans will fit, but the cables aren't the same and the valve body would need to be swapped for the '63 unit in order to work correctly in the '63.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:39 pm ]
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How is flushing harmful if done properly?
You can wind up washing away the varnish and gunk that's holding the fluid in, on an old unit.
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The way I've always heard/seen it done, you disconnect the lines from the cooler, and pour a steady supply of clean fluid in the suction side, while it sprays the nasty stuff out the discharge side.
That's about the safest way to do it provided you really do keep the fluid flowing on the inlet side.
Author:  emsvitil [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:41 pm ]
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If you can drain the torque converter, why would you want to flush?

Plus it's lots cheaper to drain and refill compared to the rates they want to flush.
Author:  Dennis Weaver [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:57 pm ]
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TRANS-X!

:D :P :P :P :D

D/W
Author:  sparky [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:18 pm ]
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you guys have all been awesome thanks
Author:  Reed [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:15 pm ]
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I have only had a transmission flushed once, and it worked much better afterwards. I always assumed it was basically a drain and fill but the shop would do as CStryker said and just run fluid through it until it came out clean.
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