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| Author: | RossKinder [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:28 am ] |
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Someone said to look at Weber 5200 carbs. Some were puzzled that I couldn't find much of anything on the internet about them. Turns out altho they are Holley produced Webers, over 99% of people on the internet refer to them as Holley, not Weber. Question remaining: I've read (also on the internet) that Holley 5200's were a "cheap knock-off" of the Webers. Comments? Thanks |
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| Author: | mrhite65 [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:18 am ] |
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Cheaper in price, not cheaply constructed. The Holley/Weber 5210 is found on 1970's GM 4cyl. cars and mostly on Vegas. The 5200 is the Ford version of this carb. The Weber version is a 32/36 DFEV or 32/36 DFAV. I tracked my 5210 down to coming off of a 1977 Vega. I found this info out of a Chilton Auto Repair Manual 1975 through 1982. The Holley/Webber carb came out in the early 1970's The 5200 is considerd a Ford Autolite Motorcraft Carb.(at least in this manual). From 1975-1981. The 5210 is considerd a Holley as is the rest of the numbers below. The 5210 included AMC 1977-1979. GMC Chevette 1979 and 1980, Monza & Vega 1975-1978, Starfire 1976-1978, Astre, Sunbird and Ventura 1975-1978. Numbers below are more electronic. The 5220 is a 1978-1981 Chrysler Omni/Horizon version. The 6500 is a 1978-1981 Ford Pinto/Bobcat. The 6510 is a 1978-1981 GMC. The 6145 and 6520 is a 1981 Chrysler. Different Sites with Information on Holley/Webber Carbs http://www.slantsix.com/UBB/Forum16/HTML/010573.html (This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl) http://www.albertpenello.com/mustang/engine.html (This site has info on putting a 5200 on a Ford 200 6cyl) http://www.angelfire.com/me4/bootsnthej ... ertech.htm (This site has info on putting a Webber on a Jeep 6cyl) http://www.225.ca/tech/jstk002.htm (This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl) http://www.surpluselectron.com/aaron/holley.htm http://www.carburetion.com/carbinf.htm http://www.webercarbsdirect.com/technical_information |
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| Author: | Wizard [ Fri May 26, 2006 11:26 am ] |
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Yes, and to expand on this: Chrysler produced cars/trucks til 1987/1988 respectively with these 5220/6520. Depending what they got, early TBI was offered starting in 84-85-ish as a OPTION and offered on very few models. I have 5220 on 2.2L in 1987 plymouth caravan. Works ok, long as it's hard starting variety rather than easy start/ crummy running.  After 87/88 all chrysler cars/trucks got injection of any form TBI or MPI. Cheers, Wizard |
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| Author: | RossKinder [ Fri May 26, 2006 1:33 pm ] |
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Quote: Cheaper in price, not cheaply constructed.
Thanks
The Holley/Weber 5210 is found on 1970's GM 4cyl. cars and mostly on Vegas. The 5200 is the Ford version of this carb. The Weber version is a 32/36 DFEV or 32/36 DFAV. I tracked my 5210 down to coming off of a 1977 Vega. I found this info out of a Chilton Auto Repair Manual 1975 through 1982. The Holley/Webber carb came out in the early 1970's The 5200 is considerd a Ford Autolite Motorcraft Carb.(at least in this manual). From 1975-1981. The 5210 is considerd a Holley as is the rest of the numbers below. The 5210 included AMC 1977-1979. GMC Chevette 1979 and 1980, Monza & Vega 1975-1978, Starfire 1976-1978, Astre, Sunbird and Ventura 1975-1978. Numbers below are more electronic. The 5220 is a 1978-1981 Chrysler Omni/Horizon version. The 6500 is a 1978-1981 Ford Pinto/Bobcat. The 6510 is a 1978-1981 GMC. The 6145 and 6520 is a 1981 Chrysler. Different Sites with Information on Holley/Webber Carbs http://www.slantsix.com/UBB/Forum16/HTML/010573.html (This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl) http://www.albertpenello.com/mustang/engine.html (This site has info on putting a 5200 on a Ford 200 6cyl) http://www.angelfire.com/me4/bootsnthej ... ertech.htm (This site has info on putting a Webber on a Jeep 6cyl) http://www.225.ca/tech/jstk002.htm (This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl) http://www.surpluselectron.com/aaron/holley.htm http://www.carburetion.com/carbinf.htm http://www.webercarbsdirect.com/technical_information |
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| Author: | RossKinder [ Fri May 26, 2006 1:34 pm ] |
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Quote: Yes, and to expand on this:
Thanks
Chrysler produced cars/trucks til 1987/1988 respectively with these 5220/6520. Depending what they got, early TBI was offered starting in 84-85-ish as a OPTION and offered on very few models. I have 5220 on 2.2L in 1987 plymouth caravan. Works ok, long as it's hard starting variety rather than easy start/ crummy running. After 87/88 all chrysler cars/trucks got injection of any form TBI or MPI. Cheers, Wizard |
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| Author: | 440_Magnum [ Fri May 26, 2006 5:29 pm ] |
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Quote:
After 87/88 all chrysler cars/trucks got injection of any form TBI or MPI.
Minor nitpick- the 1989 M-bodies (5th Avenue, Gran Fury, Diplomat) were all still carbureted IIRC.
Cheers, Wizard |
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| Author: | mrhite65 [ Sat May 27, 2006 12:48 pm ] |
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I forgot to add my own. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/658846/5 |
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| Author: | RossKinder [ Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:22 am ] |
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Quote: I forgot to add my own. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/658846/5
I think I bought an earlier version of the 5210 (haven't received it yet). I'm almost certain I'll need to rebuild it. And I'll need a choke. How do you locate parts for these? I had assumed that Weber suppliers would have them if you knew which numbers to ask for.Thanks BTW, the web site says the Weber version is DFEV/DFAV. Aren't F's for Fords? |
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| Author: | mrhite65 [ Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:59 pm ] |
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I got all my parts from the parts store. Just get a kit for an early Chevy Vega, maybe 1975. My electric choke is for a 1980 Ford Pinto. The "F" I don't believe it means Ford. The "E" is for electric choke and the "A" is for a water choke. |
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| Author: | Guest [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:42 am ] |
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I think my '73 Mercury Capri V6 2.6 L had a holley/weber 5200 and it was referred to as a "progressive" 2 barrel meaning that it was like half of a mechanical secondary 4V, running on 1 barrel until you pushed the throttle down. FWIW. |
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| Author: | RossKinder [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:13 am ] |
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Quote: Just get a kit for an early Chevy Vega, maybe 1975. My electric choke is for a 1980 Ford Pinto.
Makes sense. Thanks.
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| Author: | mrhite65 [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:51 am ] |
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Pat, that would be correct! |
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| Author: | mrbillohnooo [ Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | cfm rating? |
Anybody know the cfm rating of these carbs? I just remember the inconsistant idle speed/ quality that they are notorious for in the Volkswagen air cooled world. I never had any similar problems in a 2.3 ford app. Have had both weber and holley castings on 2.3's, same carb and respond well to tuning! If the cfm rating is slightly higher than a bbd, It should make a good swap in my eyes as I am fairly familiar with em, and my app is with a manual trans, so no kickdown worries. Thanks in advance! Bill Update...I answered my own question. 220 cfm bbd vs 280 cfm holley weber....hummmm. |
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| Author: | Reed [ Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:38 pm ] |
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The majority are rated at 280 CFM (same as a Carter BBD) but some models are lower. 210 I think. |
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| Author: | mrbillohnooo [ Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:43 pm ] |
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I got the bbd rating from the 1bbl vs 2bbl topic... Just wonder if it would be worth the trouble. Bill |
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