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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:25 pm 
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I also have alignment issues. I had the ball joints and uca bushings done last august. Well, I hadn't thought to check the tires, I assumed they would wear ok and when I finally looked they were brand new lookin on the outside and worn to secondary rubber on the inside. So before I get my front end rebuilt I have a couple questions:
1. What recourse do I have with NTB who did the original work, because it obviously didn't work. I had to replace the tires they put on and the bushings and ball joints still didn't keep the car in alignment.
2. What all should be done when redoing a front end?
suspension is my biggest weak spot on cars, i don't know a thing about them. any and all help appreciated. car is a 1975 dodge dart with new leaf springs, year old cheap shocks and 14" tires at 34 psi.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:39 am 
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AFAIK ntb is out of business, at least around here. if your uca bushings are wiped out after that short time it sounds like they were tightened with the car in the air and the wheels "hanging". the cam bolts MUST be tightened with the weight on the wheels, or the centers of the bushings will twist out.

have your lca bushings checked too, these will affect camber. camber combined with toe is whats killing the insides of your tires. when camber changes, it automaticly changes toe with it.

once you have everything lined back up there is a quick check you can do to see if it is staying where it should. park the car wheels straight ahead and fairly level. being able to always park the car in the same spot will help repeteability. take a large carpenders square, put the short leg on the ground adnd the long leg against the tire, measure with a ruller from the top of the square to the outter edge of the tire. keep a record of the measurements. try to make sure the car has the same loads ect ... each time. also do not jack up the car before you do this or your measurements will be way off. this is not exact enough to set your car up, but it should tell you if you need to go back to the alignment shop before you kill another set of tires. be sure to do it as soon as you get home from the shop so you have a baseline

most large chains pay their techs poorly and on production. when I was at tire kingdom (12 years ago) we were paid for about 16-18 minutes of time for an alignment (no matter how long it took), not enough time to do anything but set the toe. most of what I did there were little old lady cars that had wacked a curb. whenever I had a car that the owner CARED about, I would tell them to bring it in on the day I was slow and leave it, so I could spend the proper time making sure it was right. I would look for an independant shop, and try to talk to the alignment guy before you turn your car over to him, maybe even 2 or 3 before you decide on anyone.


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