Fine I'll say it.
Get a new head
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Removing Broken stud from head? |
I have a broken stud on my cylinder head. Its the rear most one. Someone has tried to drill it and ethier broke the drill or an extractor off in it. Which ever the case, it very hard metal and it breaks or dulls high quality drill bits. What ideas do you have to repair this problem? I have even tried grinding it using a rotery tool and stone that has been shaped into a point. This made some progress but there is still hard metal in there. I have also tried to drill a tiny hole next to it and use a punch to shater the hard material into the small hole. This made a bit more progress. At this point the hole is about 3/8 and the same deep. I the past I have heated these broken extractor to a cherry red to soften them for drilling, but this has alway been in steel. This head is of course cast and Iam worried about cracking it. If I had seen this before we did all the head work I would have just used another head. Your thoughts please. |
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| Author: | sandy in BC [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:03 pm ] |
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Heat |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:25 pm ] |
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I have a long story about a long, dragged-out, subfreezing-cold, expensive and difficult effort I made back in high school to replace just such a broken-off rearmost stud. I'm pretty sure it's been lost to the ages and series of computers. Too bad, it had some funny parts (funny IF you weren't me or my father or my poor, abused cylinder head). General principles to remember: • Whoever named the so-called "Easy-Out" ought to be shot. It's blatantly false advertising. There's nothing easy about it, they won't get the stud out, and when they break off, you won't get them out, either. • Ed Dreistadt was right on when he said, after breaking off a drill bit or an "easy out" on the same task many years ago "You can't drill through tool steel, so I took the head to the machine shop. Two days later, they called me to tell me they can't drill through tool steel, either." • Just because my repair involved a hammer drill, a jigsaw, a grossly oversized stud, JB-Weld and a strip heater meant for working with Plexiglas, doesn't mean yours should. It shouldn't. How 'bout a stepped stud that's got bigger threads on one end and smaller on the other? Dorman #675-097. It has 3/8"-16 threads on the head side, and the stock 5/16"-24 threads on the manifold side. Overall length is a little shorter than the 675-092 standard replacement stud, but that's of no consequence. That's what I wound up successfully using at the end of the long comedy of ignorant errors and dumb mistakes described above. All you have to do is overdrill the hole straight and true. Head on engine: Not a problem. Manifold on head: Not a chance. |
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| Author: | emsvitil [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:42 pm ] |
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Quote: It would be really nice if someone made double-ended threaded studs with one end larger in diameter than the other (say, a 5/16" thread on the one end and a 7/16" thread on the other). This way you could oversize and tap the head hole, screw-in the adaptive stud and be done with it. To my knowledge, nobody makes any such a stud.
Actually you can get close to doing this.......... Use a threaded insert on the head, then screw your stud into the threaded insert (I'm not talking about a heli-coil......) |
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| Author: | 61 V200 [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:49 pm ] |
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Carbide tipped concrete drill bit. Drill the center out and collapse the outer diameter into the center with a punch. |
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| Author: | old-vc [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:05 pm ] |
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Take it to a machine shop with a spark erroder and get it spark erroded out. Al |
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| Author: | rosspulliam [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:07 pm ] |
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Fine I'll say it. Get a new head
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| Author: | mopar_nocar [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | EZ Lock |
you need EZ lock. http://www.ezlok.com/Home/index.html i used them on a 318 with the same problem. including the broken off SO CALLED EZ ou. work great. all you'll need is an "X" drill, a 7/16-14 tap, PATIENCE, and the EZ locks. sb |
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| Author: | mopar_nocar [ Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:12 pm ] |
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Quote: Fine I'll say it.
apparently he has already done a lot of work to that head....same reason i fixed my 318 heads.Get a new head sb |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:03 am ] |
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Quote: Fine I'll say it.
Actually, I was wondering how you rebuild a head and not notice a broken stud? Get a new head 
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| Author: | Bren67Cuda904 [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:33 am ] |
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I mispoke. I didn't miss the broken stud, I missed the broken extractor in the broken stud. |
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| Author: | Doc [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:24 am ] |
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Quote: Take it to a machine shop with a spark erroder and get it spark erroded out.
Also called a "Sinker" EDM machine.Al Do it yourself "hacks" have been know to use small carbon rods and their arc welder. Drilling a series of small holes around the tool steel, then punching it thru is another method. DD |
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| Author: | Jeffc [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:49 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: Take it to a machine shop with a spark erroder and get it spark erroded out.
Do it yourself "hacks" have been know to use small carbon rods and their arc welder.
Al any other way I have tried!! the stud can even be below the surface and you can still get it out with only miner damage to the head. Belive me, I have tried every one of the above, some more than once with verous results. One thing I have not done is use the welder with a broken ez out in the hole (I have not used a ez-out in 20 years), so can't say it will still work with that. How I do it is> take a nut (sometimes you will need a few before you get it out), hold the nut to the face of the hole with a vis-grip, take my wire feed and hit it though the hole till it fills. Put a wrench on the nut, after it cools and twist, repeat till the stud comes out. Chase the hole with the right tapp when done. It will often take a few tries to get it to move. You may loose a few threads at the surface, but the weld does not like to stick to the castiron so damage is very little. The real advantage to this is that it SUPER heats the stud and helps brake it loose. I have been doing this for years now since I learned the trick from a pro exhaust guy. It has never failed me and save hours of banging my head over a broken studs. I also use this on studs that stick out of the head, or other bolts on the body/frame, keeps them from braking off closer to the head. In this case I use a oversized nut that will slide down the stud. Laugh, poo-poo, call it what you may, ect. it works! 
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