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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:14 pm 
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I am working on recurving my distributor. I am planning on welding up the slots in the governor to have less total mechanical timing. I have used a formula I have found in a thread.

A-slot length
B-pin diameter
C-movement available
D-C/x=degrees of advance x=.0157

With the governor out I see that is is stamped 15. I did the calculation on it with no modifications and found the slot length to be 7/16, the pin diameter to be 3/16 and came up with the degrees of advance as 15.92. Does this sound correct?

What amount of timing should I shoot for? I figure that if I reduce the slot length to 6/16 I will get 11.94. Does this sound like I am on the right track? 11.94 X 2 = 24 degrees of total mechanical advance?

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73 Dart Swinger
225, Comp Cam 264, Headers, Carter BBD, Home Ported Head, Comp Ratio approximately 9.0:1.


Thanks for any help you guys can offer.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:18 am 
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I am also in the process of collecting distributors and am recurving mine.
I agree a govenor slot length matrix would be nice to have.
Since Mopar springs are not available anywhere, see my past thread (thanks for the replys), I have not had any luck at any Autoparts houses for springs. Is there any problems using GM or MSD springs since they are so readily available?

I am trying to get more mechanical advance at 2000 rpm. With stock springs all I can get is 10 degrees at 2000 with a 15R govenor. I am running 20 degrees initial, 10 degree mechanical and 13 vacuum for a 43 total. I would like to run 10 degrees initial and 20 degrees mechanical for a little smoother idle and a little more punch. My engine still won't ping, even on the steepest hills.

1. Anyone use the GM/MSD springs?
2. or have a govenor slot matrix?
3. Does anyone know where I can get a 16R Feather Duster vacuum advance. The parts houses are telling me that the VC-208 is discontinued.

All I can find are 11R units and they are getting hard to find.......

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:08 pm 
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I am trying to get more mechanical advance at 2000 rpm. With stock springs all I can get is 10 degrees at 2000 with a 15R govenor. I am running 20 degrees initial, 10 degree mechanical and 13 vacuum for a 43 total. I would like to run 10 degrees initial and 20 degrees mechanical for a little smoother idle and a little more punch. My engine still won't ping, even on the steepest hills.

Looks like your cars a little under geared and under carbed... :wink:


I have found that if you are looking for a fairly "aggressive" street mechanical curve and don't mid it being too 'linear'.

Swapping your springs for a set of the 'light' springs out of a V-8 distributor (70's big block springs are good), makes for moderate advance that limits out at 2200-2300 rpm (then you can dial in the vacc. adv. from there...)... (Did this to Rob Simmon's distributor, and I run this mix in the Hpak Duster for street use, and seems to work out OK in HiPo Street Applications).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:04 pm 
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To clarify, you used (two) of the "light" stock springs from a 70's big block distributor? Correct?

Mr Gasket sells two super light springs kit#925B for racing.
It says they kick in at 2000 rpm. It also says not for street use. I am sure this is what Mr. Norm must of used when he would recurve distributors for drag racing.

I would love to run more carburation if I could find some good parts that work well together. I am not sure if the Super Six is really worth all the work if a 4 barrel would have good response down low and still get good mileage. I never go over 3000 rpm. That is about 75 mph.

Any thoughts on that?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:15 pm 
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To clarify, you used (two) of the "light" stock springs from a 70's big block distributor? Correct?

Mr Gasket sells two super light springs kit#925B for racing.
It says they kick in at 2000 rpm. It also says not for street use. I am sure this is what Mr. Norm must of used when he would recurve distributors for drag racing.

I would love to run more carburation if I could find some good parts that work well together. I am not sure if the Super Six is really worth all the work if a 4 barrel would have good response down low and still get good mileage. I never go over 3000 rpm. That is about 75 mph.

Any thoughts on that?


Yes, the big block springs are slightly 'stiffer' than our 'light' OEM slant six springs, so they are good for the 'street/perf.' build...I have used the 925B set , and just changing the light spring in a stock slant distributor caused it to be 'full mech adv' by 1600... :?

Your setup has much more potential (it's pretty close to what I used to run in the Hpak Duster)....gears+vacc. secondary carb+ timing tweak would keep the mileage, and add more 'fun' :wink:

(Yeah, I rarely go over 3000 rpm, unless you count 'passing a truck', power shifting on warm days, and those odd times on county roads where I have to make sure it's still able to launch at 6000 rpm...)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:24 pm 
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Would a longer slot help on the recurve as well as the lighter springs? Wouldn't a shorter slot limit the advance? Should I file out my 16R slot another 1/16"?
Do you have slot lengths documented for 9R on up?

Thanks,

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