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Author:  XMAN [ Mon Dec 03, 2001 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Doc - No Oil Pressure - Part 11

Galley plugs are in and filter and pump were filled with oil before start up. Since last message I took out the spark plugs, lubed up the valve train,and put a mechanical oil pressure guage on the pump (Removed the sending unit). Spun the engine over for about 2 minutes twice with the starter and I am now getting 40 lbs pressure at the pump. After spinning it over the first time I immediatly unscrewed the filter and plenty of oil came out. Put it back and spinned the engine again and it came back to 40 lbs. Trouble is I still don't have any oil showing up at the rockers. I know the new shaft is in correctly and the rear passage is clear. How long should it take to get oil to the rockers in a new engine???

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Author:  Doc [ Mon Dec 03, 2001 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Rocker Arm Oil *PIC*

I feel better already...the bottom end is getting oil.
It does take a minute or two for oil to get up into the rocker shaft and work it's way out through the small rocker arm passageways. You can run the engine for a while if you have poured some oil over the rocker arms.

The rocker shaft oil has a long trip to take and everything along the way must be right for the oil to come out the rocker arm tips. Let's review the oil's pathway.

The first "turn-off" for the oil is at the rear cam bearing, this has to be installed correctly so both holes in the rear bearing line-up to the block passages. The bearing can be installed backwards or not aligned properly to the block holes.

The oil is then metered through a small cross hole in the rear camshaft journal. I have seen some cams missing this hole or they had the cross hole plugged with crap. (spun bearing material, sluge, carbon etc.)

The oil then travels up a long drilled passageway in the block and has to get by the head gasket and into the head. I have seen poor gasket alignment at the head cause oil flow problems.

There is a short passage from the head gasket surface into the lower rear head bolt bore, then from the head bolt bore, up to the rear rocker shaft tower retaining bolt's tapped hole. If you have concerns about these intersections, remove the rocker shaft and the lower rear head bolt and "fish" a wire through these holes to be sure they are clear. Note that 'fat' head studs or rocker shaft shims can "choke-off" oil flow up into the shaft at these locations.

OK, we now have oil getting to the rocker shaft, there has to be enough volume to fill the shaft so oil can be forced into the rocker arm passages. Any cracked rocker shaft towers, leaks around the mounting bolts or the shaft's end plugs can bleed-off pressure, preventing oil flow into the arms. Shaft mounting bolts that "bind tight" before drawing the shaft down solid to the tower saddle is a problem I have seen.

A common cause of no oil flow into the rocker arms is an incorrectly installed rocker shaft. Pre 1980 shafts can go on one of 4 ways, only one way allows oil to pass into the rocker arms. There is a small flat on the end of the shaft that must be forward and up. It this better to just be sure the shaft's oil feed holes are low and pointed towards the manifold ports, about at the 4:00 position when looking at the front of the shaft.

The most common problem is that the small rocker arm oil feed passages get plugged-up. If a dirty rocker assemble is "hot tanked", the small passageways get completly plugged-up. (!?!) You can quickly test each rocker arm oil passageway by using a can of carb. cleaner with a extension tube. (the red plastic tube that plugs into the nozzle) Stick the tube into the arm's top oil feed hole and give it a squirt, cleaner should spray-out the arm's tip hole. This can be done with everything mounted in place.
That about covers it.
DD

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Author:  Dart270 [ Mon Dec 03, 2001 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Rocker Arm Oil

Quote:
: I feel better already...the bottom end is
: getting oil.
: It does take a minute or two for oil to get up
: into the rocker shaft and work it's way out
: through the small rocker arm passageways.
: You can run the engine for a while if you
: have poured some oil over the rocker arms.
:
: The rocker shaft oil has a long trip to take
: and everything along the way must be right
: for the oil to come out the rocker arm tips.
: Let's review the oil's pathway.
:
: The first "turn-off" is at the rear
: cam bearing, this has to be installed
: correctly so both holes in the rear bearing
: line-up to the block passages. The bearing
: can be installed backwards or not aligned
: properly to the block holes.
:
: The oil is then metered through a small cross
: hole in the rear camshaft journal. I have
: seen some cams missing this hole or had the
: cross hole plugged with crap. (spun bearing
: material, carbon etc.)
:
: The oil then travels up a long passageway in
: the block and has to get by the head gasket
: and into the head. I have seen poor gasket
: alignment at the head cause oil flow
: problems.
:
: There is a short passage from the head gasket
: surface into the lower rear head bolt bore,
: then from the head bolt bore up to the rear
: rocker shaft tower retaining bolt's tapped
: hole. If you have concerns about these
: intersections, remove the rocker shaft and
: the lower rear head bolt and
: "fish" a wire through these holes
: to be sure they are clear. Note that 'fat'
: head studs or rocker shaft shims can
: "choke-off" oil flow up into the
: shaft at these locations.
:
: OK, we now have oil getting to the rocker
: shaft, there has to be enough volume to fill
: the shaft so oil can be forced into the
: rocker arm passages. Cracked rocker shaft
: towers, leaks around the mounting bolts or
: shaft end plugs can bleed-off pressure
: preventing flow into the arms. Shaft
: mounting bolts that "bind tight"
: before drawing the shaft down tight into the
: tower saddle is a problem I have seen.
:
: A common cause of no oil flow into the rocker
: arms is an incorrectly installed rocker
: shaft. Pre 1980 shafts can go on one of 4
: ways, only one way allows oil to pass into
: the rocker arms. There is a small flat on
: the end of the shaft that must be forward
: and up. It this better to just be sure the
: shaft's oil feed holes are low and pointed
: towards the manifold ports, about at the
: 4:00 position when looking at the front of
: the shaft.
:
: The most common problem I see is the simple
: fact that the small rocker arm oil feed
: holes get plugged-up. If a dirty rocker
: assemble is "hot tanked", the
: small passageways get completly plugged-up.
: (!?!) You can quickly test each rocker arm
: oil passageways by using a can of carb.
: cleaner with a extension tube. (the red tube
: that plugs into the nozzle) Stick the tube
: into the arm's top oil feed hole and give it
: a squirt, cleaner should spray-out the tip
: hole. this can be done with everything
: mounted in place.
: That about covers it.
: DD


Just to add a little anecdote here...

When I put a new cam in my '64 Dart engine (NOT a regrind, cam bearings only had 10k on them), it was a little tight going in. I cranked the engine over and started 'er up with the valve cover off, just to have a look. Guess what, no oil to the rockers, even after running for 2-3 minutes.

Ater pulling the cam, I saw that it had grabbed the rear cam bearing and turned it about 5 degrees in the bore. SO, the top hole leading to the head was blocked, but the bottom hole, which sits over a groove in the block rather than a hole, was still exposed.

The fix? I really didn't want to pull the engine and get a new rear bearing. So I just bought a 12" long, 3/16" drill bit, packed a rag into the rear bearing, pulled the head, and drilled through the top of the bearing through the oil hole in the top of the block. Pulled the rag out, put the cam back in with lots of assembly lube,put the head back on, fired it up, and presto - oiled rockers!

Cheers,

Lou

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