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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:02 am 
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Well I decided to torture myself again to try and figure this TDC thing again.I tried the valve cover off and watch the valve thing and still could not get a spark , but the only thing I did'nt do was the ,put finger over #1 plug hole until the pressure blows finger off.
I am the only one there and My arms aint that long to crank and cover the hole , and I am not strong enough to turn the belt with one hand while using other hand to cover hole.
Then It hit me , why not take a paper towel wad it up and stuff it in the hole( not to deep) to cover the hole. I put it in ,started to turn the engine with the belt as hard as I can , and poof it blew out , did it three times to make sure, did the ground plug thing and got a spark. I then cranked it up , it started, ran like crap for a little bit the stalled , now i need to adjust it. I think Ill stop while Im ahead for today and enjoy the 4th.
Thanks again for everybodies helping me with all my questions.

Dave

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:36 am 
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EFI Slant 6

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Neat trick! I too had problems reaching everything, my fix was to use the extension hose off a compression tester. To find the exact TDC you really need to use a "piston stop" to be accurate.

I found Doc's write up about using a piston stop for you to look at.
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DISCONNECT THE BATTERY! Do not use the starter to perform any of these steps if you decide to use a positive piston stop method to determine true TDC.

To find Top Dead Center use a piston stop, to stop the piston in the same position on either side of TDC and take readings from a degree wheel. You will then split the difference in these readings and move the pointer this amount, making it the true TDC point. At this point. you can accuratly re-mark your vibration dampener and check cam positioning.

- Mount the degree wheel on the end of the crankshaft, and rotate the engine to approximate TDC

- Mount a pointer or use the current timing mark and line it up at zero on the degree wheel.

- Rotate the engine to move the piston down into the cylinder. Install your positive piston stop device into the spark plug hole and extend the bolt.

- Turn the engine slowly by hand, rotating it until the piston comes up and stops against the piston stop bolt. (having all spark plugs removed helps to make the engine easy to turn)

-Look at the degree wheel and write down the number of degrees shown by the pointer.

-Turn the engine by hand in the opposite direction until the piston comes up and stops on the piston stop bolt again. Go back to the degree wheel and write down the degrees it now reads.

-Add these two readings together (the sum) and divide the answer by two. (divided amount) TDC is at the center of the sum. The divided amount on either side.

Now either add a chalk mark on you dampener or move your pointer by this many degrees, or carefully loosen the degree wheel (without disturbing the position of the crankshaft) and move the wheel this required amount.

Retighten everything and rotate the engine again, making sure that the readings on each side of TDC are equal degrees away from zero. If they are, the zero on the degree wheel will now be the true TDC point. You can remark (punch or saw slot) your dampener at this position.

Be Sure to remove the positive piston stop device from the spark plug hole BEFORE reconnecting the battery.

Now that you have found true TDC , you can easily check your cam's position and adjust it as needed.
DD
Here is a link to an FABO post I did on making a piston stop.
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/sho ... hp?t=29414



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:13 pm 
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Another trick that you can do is just to stick your finger in the #1 hole, and reach over with a screw driver and touch the terminals on the starter solenoid together. A light jab just enough to arc will barely bump it over. When I'm working on the car, it always amazes friends when I leave the key in the on position and can start/stop the car from under the hood!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:33 pm 
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You can never know too many tricks. I think I have more favorites bookmarked to this site than any other site.

Thanks
Dave

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