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Author:  68barracuda [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:57 pm ]
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Author:  Jopapa [ Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:04 pm ]
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LOL BOOYA! Land Cruiser calipers. Mopars and Toyota Land Cruisers = the best vehicles on the road, bar none. My truck is an '88 FJ62 (which comes stock with those 60 series calipers they talk about, though I've upgraded to larger 4Runner calipers) that's my other pride and joy :D

Sweet upgrade though. I'm gonna look into doing it on my Duster...
Author:  DionR [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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I'm betting it wont work, just because I don't think the spindles are the same.

Here are some other ideas, if you want. Even a Toyota option.
Author:  robertob [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:12 pm ]
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Yeah, look at the stock front brake setups on ebay aus. They don't look anything like ours (calipers are australian-made). Also, I don' t think aussie valiants ever got big upper/lower balljoints, so who knows.

IF this is possible I'd look at the stock small-bolt disk spindles first.
Author:  Jopapa [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:26 am ]
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I'm betting it wont work, just because I don't think the spindles are the same.

Here are some other ideas, if you want. Even a Toyota option.
I'm thinkin I'll probably just end up going the 11.75" Mopar route. I didn't really NEED to have Toyota calipers, but I thought it'd be cool to have parts from one of my own vehicles on another one of my vehicles, especially since one's Japanese and the other's American. Just for something to make people tilt their heads and go "WTF?" :lol:
Author:  dakight [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:58 am ]
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For what it's worth:
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Mopar-Dis ... ,3793.html
Author:  DionR [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:29 am ]
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I'm thinkin I'll probably just end up going the 11.75" Mopar route. I didn't really NEED to have Toyota calipers, but I thought it'd be cool to have parts from one of my own vehicles on another one of my vehicles, especially since one's Japanese and the other's American. Just for something to make people tilt their heads and go "WTF?" :lol:
I started out wanting something that might hang with some of the bigger bore sport cars, something like a ‘01 M3 or C5 Z06. I know the Green Brick did it with 11.75 A/B body stuff, but I don’t think that means there isn’t anything better.

Spent considerable time looking for easy to access calipers I might be able to adapt, but most didn’t fit my criteria. I really wanted a fix caliper, but nothing worked, unless I wanted to hang 15 # calipers off the spindles. The Tundra calipers would be a real option if they were aluminum, but I got one weighted at the parts store and it was a legitimate 15 #’s. Cadillac has some 4 piston fixed calipers (made by Brembo, I think) but cost was way out there, new Z06 calipers are stupid expensive (I think the pads alone are something like $800), the TT Supra used Brembos but they might as well be made out of gold (and unobtainium). Really, the best option I could find was the later Viper setup, but I can’t swing that.

In the end I had to give up on the fixed calipers and started looking at some floating ones. The C5 Z06 had two piston floating PBR calipers, and the last generation M3 used a floating caliper, so they must not be totally inadequate. The Baer top end floating caliper kit uses the same pin guided calipers as the earlier Z06, sot that is the direction I started down. I’m only one machining step from mocking the thing up, but I haven’t been able to get it past that.

The reality is that the 11.75 setup is probably more than enough, but I want to track this car some and I don’t want to be limited by my brakes. It’s probably overkill, but I guess I would rather have too much brake instead of not enough.
Author:  nqkjw [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:52 am ]
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I don' t think aussie valiants ever got big upper/lower balljoints,
Correct :)
Author:  andyf [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:27 pm ]
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Dion,

The early Viper on 11.75 setup works pretty well and is fairly cheap if you're able to find the calipers at a reasonable price. You can also upgrade later to the 13 inch rotor by just changing the hubs and brackets. The Green Brick has been running the Viper on 11.75 setup for years now, Eberg had me design this setup for him back around 2002.

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Author:  andyf [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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I run Porsche TT stuff on my car but it isn't a kit that I sell. There just aren't very many Mopar guys who will use Porsche parts on their cars so I never bothered to build a kit. Basically it is almost the same as my 13 inch Viper kit though since Brembo makes both calipers and there is very little difference between them.
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Author:  Jopapa [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:36 pm ]
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Dion,

The early Viper on 11.75 setup works pretty well and is fairly cheap if you're able to find the calipers at a reasonable price. You can also upgrade later to the 13 inch rotor by just changing the hubs and brackets. The Green Brick has been running the Viper on 11.75 setup for years now, Eberg had me design this setup for him back around 2002.

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Andy, are those calipers from a certain year range of Vipers or have they always used the same parts throughout the years? I love the looks of that, and the option of being able to upgrade later on. Do you sell the caliper adapters?

Edit: did some research and found AR Engineering's site and the info I was looking for. Looks like a great, clean setup. I think I found the best way to go for my brake R&R. from the looks of it, they're made for a drum brake spindle though. Are the disc spindles different enough that theadapters wouldn't work on them?

Now a question for any of the brake gurus who might have some insight to this: given the extra braking I'd have up front if I go this route, should I still install the smaller wheel cylinders in my rear drums, or will the larger front brakes alone help with good braking proportions with my stock wheel cylinders in the back?
Author:  DionR [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:36 pm ]
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Author:  DionR [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:39 pm ]
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from the looks of it, they're made for a drum brake spindle though. Are the disc spindles different enough that theadapters wouldn't work on them?
The disk brake spindles are pretty different. If it helps, I know of a set of drum spindles hanging on a car in a yard close by.

Don't know about your rear brake question, though.
Author:  andyf [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:48 pm ]
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Jopapa,

You need to use the late model drum knuckles with the Viper conversion. The drum knuckles have a square bolt pattern which makes a nice strong mounting system for the adapter plate. I'll attach a picture to illustrate.

For the rear I'd just start off with the stock wheel cylinders and go from there. Brake bias is hard to predict so it is best to just try it and see. What your car wants will depend on weight distribution, ride height, tire size, etc.

(and yes, the 11.75 rotors slide right on the drum knuckles)

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Author:  Rug_Trucker [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:22 am ]
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Does the Viper brakes require 16" or bigger wheels?

Bet they would stop my Duster like a hammer with 3"X11" drums on the rear!
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