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Author:  Scott H [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  1980 Volare Super Six and MP Header Conversion
Well this has been a great week I spent the last week every night with my son teaching him the how and why of traditional hot rodding techniques.
We got the aluminum Super Six and Mopar Performance 6-1 headers installed. Tonight we got the throttle cable and kickdown linkage sorted out.
I just wanted to thank everyone that has taken the time to answer my questions. The progress continues.

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Author:  SlantSixDan [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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Onward 'n' upward! Looking forward to the startup-and-run report.
Author:  LLangarica [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:08 pm ]
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you said you have a 1980 car and you put headers in it? will it still pass smog? i have been looking for some smog legal headers or a way to add headers to my /6 while still allowing it to pass smog. could you please tell me what you did to do this? thanks.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:39 pm ]
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He started by living in NJ rather than CA.
Author:  Scott H [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:06 pm ]
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Dan is correct,
Here in NJ cars reistered as historic vehicles, over 25 years old, are exempt from testing. After going through this process with the headers and coming up with solutions to address carb heating, catalytic converters, EGR and other emissions requirements I would recommend a set of Dutra Duals.

If you wanted to get creative it might be possible to run headers and keep the EGR and get the exhaust gas to the intake by running a 3/4 inch or so tube from the collector up to the base of the intake. Keep the air pump and take the hose that ran into the exhaust cannister and run it to a catalytic converter with an air tube. This was all addressed in a separate thread.
Who knows if it will pass in CA but it is possible to keep the emissions in place its just a bit more work.
I do expect that mine will pass emissions once I have it all properly tuned but may have to rely on tricks from the 80's to lean it out during the sniffer test.
Scott
Author:  LLangarica [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:27 pm ]
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ohh darn. stupid california and its strict smog laws are keeping me from doing cheap/quick stuff to my car. ohh well. thanks for the tips. ill consider that and try it out. thanks!
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:32 pm ]
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ohh darn. stupid california and its strict smog laws are
...are keeping the air fit to breathe. Quit bitching about it.
Author:  LLangarica [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:06 pm ]
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hah yeah i should shut up and quit bitching. air is a necesity
Author:  Jopapa [ Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:38 pm ]
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ohh darn. stupid california and its strict smog laws are
...are keeping the air fit to breathe. Quit bitching about it.
I dunno Dan, I'd argue about the air being fit to breathe, at least in the major metropolitan areas, using LA as the most extreme example. Have you seen how thick the smog is there? It's freakin disgusting. Alot of their smog "control" rules and regs are bass ackwards as it is. They would benefit greatly by simplifying it to butt sniffer smog tests and verifying that the engine currently installed in the vehicle (whether it's a factory installed engine or not) isn't being temporarily doctored just to pass smog tests.

Scott, how did you overcome the carb heating issue? That header looks good. What's the size on the output?
Author:  Ed Mullen [ Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:45 am ]
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Here in NJ cars reistered as historic vehicles, over 25 years old, are exempt from testing
I'm not so sure.

NJ historic plates limit you to 3K miles/year. They check every two years.

I'm not sure a car with modifications that were never legal for it would qualify as "historic."

I don't know if they do any kind of inspection when they issue the plates.

I'm interested in doing this for my van in 4 years. I'm not sure I can live with the 3K mile limit.

Please keep us posted re. getting past inspection, and the historic plates process, if you do it.
Author:  flyboyf102 [ Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:58 am ]
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Where did you get the exhaust headers, and how much............flyboyf102@yahoo.com email me please
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:14 am ]
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I dunno Dan, I'd argue about the air being fit to breathe, at least in the major metropolitan areas, using LA as the most extreme example. Have you seen how thick the smog is there? It's freakin disgusting.
Yup, it is…but even so, it's a lot better now than it was twenty or thirty or forty years ago, despite the vast increase in car population and miles driven. In large part, that's because of California's very stringent and strictly-enforced auto emission regulations.
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Alot of their smog "control" rules and regs are bass ackwards as it is. They would benefit greatly by simplifying it to butt sniffer smog tests
Those tests aren't good enough by a long shot. All they can do is find some of the grossest polluters. Remember, CA not only has the biggest car population in all North America, but also has a climate very conducive to keeping and driving old cars for far, far longer than they last in most of the rest of the country. That means the benefit of the steady reduction in new-vehicle exhaust toxicity is counterbalanced to some degree by the relatively large population of older cars, and it means cars last long enough for the emissions to grow substantially dirtier. Those are the realities that justify California's auto exhaust emission standards and enforcement. Some aspects of the program could certainly use improvement — there is a procedure by which nonstock components and modifications can be certified (CARB testing and approval), but it should probably be modernised, streamlined and made more affordable.
Author:  Scott H [ Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:23 pm ]
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Jopapa,
For now I am using the factory hot air intake setup to get hot air off the exhaust tubes and port it into the air cleaner. A little
customizing and the original metal stove box will fit back in the original spot.
That is all I am using for now. If I have a problem down the road I will use an aluminum plate at the base of the intake and run water from the heater hoses or I have been contemplating venting hot air off the exhaust tubes, like above but using an of an old air cleaner and the flapper door to turn it on and off.
I will try without the carb heat for now and see how it goes.

FLyboy - I bought the headers off a board member that had them listed in the for sale section.
Author:  jamesdart [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:57 pm ]
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Here in NJ cars reistered as historic vehicles, over 25 years old, are exempt from testing
I'm not so sure.

NJ historic plates limit you to 3K miles/year. They check every two years.

I'm not sure a car with modifications that were never legal for it would qualify as "historic."

I don't know if they do any kind of inspection when they issue the plates.

I'm interested in doing this for my van in 4 years. I'm not sure I can live with the 3K mile limit.

Please keep us posted re. getting past inspection, and the historic plates process, if you do it.
i know this is a pretty old thread, but i have 3 cars with them and was never informed there was a mile limit, no one ever checked my odometer, and there was never any type of inspection done. one set i have had for 10 years. oh yeah and only 1 of the 3 is stock. the only thing they want to do is keep junks or race cars from using the historic plates.
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