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| Author: | namercur [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 1964 Valiant |
Hello everyone. Here is the story. I have a 1964 Valiant which has been sitting in my garage since my son left it there about 3 years ago. It has a very very tired 170 which I would like to rebuild. My thought is to only make minor changes, performance wise, and for the most part leave it stock. I have a super six set up for it but may just go with the one barrel that is on it. I have already upgraded it to electronic ignition. The car has a lot of issues including rust in the quarters and around the windows. Also needs suspension work. I can drive it as is but it is only hitting on about 3 cylinders. Looking for any advice on where to start, if its really worth the money time and effort, and if not what is the market for this car...thanks for any and all advice...Mark..I am in South Florida btw... |
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| Author: | 64'4$peed [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:24 am ] |
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find a running 225 and swap it over. rebuild the suspension and drive the car everywhere |
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| Author: | Doc [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:44 am ] |
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As a start, I would pull-off the valve cover and check the valve lash... Valve recession can take-up all the lash and cause missing. Re-adjust the valves and it may run a whole lot better. After that, run a compression check, burnt valves is the next common cause for missing, along with broken rings... if that is the problem, time to start looking for a replacement engine. DD |
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| Author: | rock [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | And, good news, the engines are cheap to free, often |
Love to have that car but it would cause domestic earthquakes, as in NOT another project, no no! They are addictive. Good news is that taking advice to get another engine and put it in is not 1,000's of dollars as you may have heard from big block mopar guys or engine swap places. The engine is cheap or free, often. Putting it in is easy. If you have a chance to get engine and tranny, do it. Piles of parts ensures you have them when you have no cash. rock '64d100 |
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| Author: | slantvaliant [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:41 am ] |
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64's are poison! Get rid of it! Send it to me and I won't charge much to take it off you hands ...  Seriously, they're good cars. I'd take a look at the things Doc mentioned, along with a real tuneup. Get it running right, then see what else it needs, and prioritize. I've had mine for 22 years and put a of miles on it. Most of the work has been done a piece at a time without any big cash outlays. For the biggest projects, I saved up as I studied and shopped. |
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| Author: | armyofchuckness [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:51 am ] |
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Um...yes...you don't want that '64. They're horrible, awful cars and you should give it to me before I change my mind. It actually hurt me to say that. I'm a bit biased, but seriously, I think the '64 is one of the best looking A-bodies ever. I would recommend switching to a 225 if you're going to keep things mild. A lot can be done with 170s, as many people here I'm sure will tell you, but having had both, I'm much, much happier with a stock 225 over a stock 170. Just my two cents. |
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| Author: | namercur [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Valiant |
thanks for the advice guys. I have checked the lash and the compression is not good. The engine has about 275,000 miles and according to the numbers is the original engine. That was the only reason in wanting to rebuild the existing one. If I switch to a 225 are there any little hiccups in swapping it out? Should I get a later model that has the hydraulic valves? great site we have here. thanks for all your help..Mark |
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| Author: | valiant effort [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Valiant |
As far as the rust goes, I have not had any luck finding aftermarket body parts. Be ready to become a metal or fiberglass fabricator. Good luck.. |
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| Author: | slantvaliant [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:49 pm ] |
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Unless you really can't stand adjusting valves, converting to hydraulic lifters is more effort that it's worth. OTOH, I went to HEI in part because I hated adjusting points ...  When looking for parts, make sure you know the interchange. HINT: Think early Barracuda. Fiberglass fenders, hoods, and lower grill pans are available but are not cheap. Look HERE Steel quarter patch panels are available for 63-65 Valiants and Barracudas at The Paddock Again, not cheap. |
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| Author: | valiant effort [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Valiant |
Thanks again. All good information. If I was a retired guy id most likely jump into this with both feet. But being a working guy finding the time to do all that needs done, and im an obsessive perfectionist, might be divorce material! So ill think about it awhile. Love the sight by the way..Mark |
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| Author: | THOR [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:03 am ] |
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If you weren't so far away from me, I would tell you to come over and grab the yellow block '63 A100 engine I have. It is a 225 and was a runner before it was pulled in favor or a V8. One coast to the other.... Roadtrip! Divorce material or not, that will be a sweet car when you get a chance to sink some time and a few bucks into it. I can't agree that the '64 is the best looking, I favor the '66, but I'd would rather have a '64 than no a-body at all!  I had a hydro engine in my '74 swinger awhile back and I suppose it was nice for not needing to adjust the valves, but it limits your ability to do much in the area of compression ratio increases. You can't shave the head/block much because you can easily bottom out the lifters. Also, I have been told that using a bigger cam with the hydro lifters won't work, but others say it will.  ~THOR~ |
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| Author: | namercur [ Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Valiant |
Ok guys you have all about convinced me to get the thing going. My divorce is on your conscience. I will be nagging you all to death with the details of doing this project as I have some experience but limited. So look for my questions in all the topic areas. Thanks again..Mark |
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| Author: | kman [ Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | compression |
check the cylinders and if 1/2 are bad rebuild or swap for the 225. im rebuilding my 63. motor almost put back together....... |
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