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| Author: | SV162 [ Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:46 pm ] |
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Just a quick one for you guys. Does gap size have any effect on the temperature of a spark plug? ie. closing the gap makes a spark plug run hotter. Thanks, Jon. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:37 pm ] |
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No. The heat range (operating temperature) of the spark plug is a function of the length of its insulator, not of the plug gap. |
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| Author: | SV162 [ Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:00 pm ] |
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Thanks Dan, I knew I could rely on a quick response from you. I have another question that I'm sure you can answer Dan. I've just had some head work done so I'm wondering how much can come off the head before I start running into clearance problems with ZFR5N plugs. I was running these plugs before with out any problems but my engine builder tells me those plugs are not an option anymore. I haven't got the exact amount that the head was shaved on hand now, but I know it was at least 0.100". |
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| Author: | HardCharger [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:03 am ] |
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No watching and eating popcorn emoticon for times like this eh? |
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| Author: | emsvitil [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:14 am ] |
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Ok............
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:48 am ] |
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There might not be room for those plugs any more, but there might still be. What's your piston deck height? The easy way to find out is to remove all plugs, put a ZFR5N into one cylinder, and turn the engine over by hand through a TDC event. Remove the plug and examine it. If there's no apparent contact, then you're probably fine, but to be sure put a lump of modelling clay on the end of the plug, completely surrounding the tip with an outward-and-endward thickness of about 3mm. Install the spark plug and turn the engine by hand again through another TDC event. Remove the plug and examine the clay. If it's mashed through to the plug electrodes, or nearly so, you probably don't want to use those plugs. If the clay is untouched or just barely touched, you're fine. |
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| Author: | 66aCUDA [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:57 am ] |
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As i understand it. You may have problems with heat buildup on the plug. Even to the extent of melting the plug down. Also note worthy is the difference between the standard tip and extended tip is 1/2 cc, I measured it when I cc my heads. Frank |
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| Author: | emsvitil [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:02 pm ] |
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If clearance is tight, indexing the plugs so that the ground electrode is at the top (away from piston) may give you the needed room............. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:40 pm ] |
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Quote: As i understand it. You may have problems with heat buildup on the plug. Even to the extent of melting the plug down.
Um…what? :shrug: 
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| Author: | SV162 [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:19 pm ] |
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Thanks for the info Dan, I'll give it a try. |
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| Author: | 66aCUDA [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:02 am ] |
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Quote: Quote: As i understand it. You may have problems with heat buildup on the plug. Even to the extent of melting the plug down.
Um…what? :shrug: Frank |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:18 am ] |
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Racers I've talked to have said to NOT use the extended tip plugs. They are apparently more detonation prone, and may have caused melted pistons, at least in one boosted application. I have spoken with others who said they had more pinging on the hwy (like climbing hills) with those plugs than with regular plugs. This is to some extent heresay, but I don't see there will be enough potential benefit to try them. I have a set I may try, but haven't bothered yet. If you are looking for max mileage in a mild motor, they should work well. For high power output, I would stay away from them. In my experience, plug type and gap don't make a bit of difference on the dragstrip unless you are WAY off. My guess is you will never remove enough head material to have a piston/plug interference problem with flattop pistons. Plugs are too far in up in the chamber and pistons are not at zero deck if you are removing a lot of head material (unless at 13:1+ comp ratio). Lou |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:03 pm ] |
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Let's be clear here, because we're obviously talking about two different (but related) things. Thing #1: You have to use a spark plug of the right heat range (tip operating temperature) for the application, regardless of electrode configuration. Thing #2: The ZFR5N has a heat range appropriate for stock and near-stock slant-6 applications, but is too hot for many high-compression, boosted, and/or race applications. If they made a ZFR6N or a ZFR7N (same plug design, one and two steps colder heat range), there'd likely be no issue arising from the extended electrode design — but they don't. The key to understanding this is that a GR5 would be equally too hot, as would a UR5 or an anything-else-5 (in NGK's particular heat range numbering system). The ZFR6F-11 is one heat range colder than the ZFR5N, and its electrodes are midway between regular and extended length. ZFR6FIX-11 is the Iridium version which is quite costly but very durable and well suited to high-compression/ping-prone applications (less-massive electrodes = less tendency to ping). ZFR7F-11 is one more heat range (total of two) colder than ZFR5N. No Iridium equivalent. Remember not to use the metal ring washers, whatever plug you use, unless your head is a pre-'63 casting. |
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| Author: | SV162 [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:33 pm ] |
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Quote: Remember not to use the metal ring washers, whatever plug you use, unless your head is a pre-'63 casting.
What are the Aussie Slant 6 heads classed as.........pre-'63?? I know we had Slants up till '69, but are ours all the same casting. I'm asking because it seems everyone "down under" leaves the ring washers on their plugs.
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| Author: | walpolla [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:57 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: Remember not to use the metal ring washers, whatever plug you use, unless your head is a pre-'63 casting.
What are the Aussie Slant 6 heads classed as.........pre-'63?? I know we had Slants up till '69, but are ours all the same casting. I'm asking because it seems everyone "down under" leaves the ring washers on their plugs.until someone tells me otherwise,I leave the washers on. no apparent ill effects. and I use ZFR5N plugs. SS Dan,your comments would be appreciated on this. (please .... ) regards,Rod 
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