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 Post subject: Crud under valve cover
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:28 am 
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any hints on cleaning out the top of the heads? Just took of the valve cover to paint and found 36 years of buildup....and 3 caps from old oil containers.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:22 am 
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I have no clue how you are going to get anything out of there without dropping any down a hole. I really wish you luck.

If you are anything like me though IF you even try, you will be pulling it and rebuilding it anyway so why not just start shopping for the rebuilt kit now? 8)

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:44 am 
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I agree. I did this with my old wagon. I pulled the valve covers and it looked like they were still on there! I used a shop vac and a chisel and got most of it out. I ran a couple of cans of 5 Minute Motor Kerosene through it and drained the pan. Clumps of stuff, like cottage cheese, came falling out!

It didn't matter though. In about 15K miles it shattered a piston, most likely due to clogged oil passages. Even though I changed the oil every 3K miles after that flush, the oil would be black as soot within a week. :evil:

start shopping for a decent slant motor and rebuild that, so when the current motor dies, just plug n play.

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Try some of Uncle Dan's Motor Cleaning Soup:
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Careful-careful-careful. Those "engine flush" compounds you can find at the auto parts store can do a tremendous amount of damage.

I have long maintained that your engine is not a toilet (Chevrolet Vega, Cadillac HT4100 and V8-6-4, and Ford 3.0 owners excepted) and therefore does not need flushing except under specific and rare conditions as a corrective measure. Everyone's got a pet theory on how best to flush a crudded-up engine without pulling the pan. Some methods are harmless but ineffective. Some methods are potentially harmful. Some methods are harmless and effective. For best results, pick one of that last kind.

I do not believe there is any such thing as a safe, effective and fast engine flush procedure. You can pick any two of these three: Safe and effective (but not fast), safe and fast (but not effective), effective and fast (but not safe). The risks fall into two categories:
Softening/damaging engine gaskets and seals so they don't seal well any more
Sweeping large amounts of dirt and crud from its resting place into the oil filter, which plugs and goes into bypass mode, sending the cräp directly to the bearings and quickly failing the engine. I watched this happen to a Chev 305 once. It was quite a spectacle.


Those "5-minute engine flush" compounds mostly contain Butyl Cellosolve,
which is a specialized solvent that's very good at one particular task: Cleaning the mayonnaise out of a crankcase that's had coolant in it due to a faulty head (etc.) gasket. Their use in any other situation is risky.

My own engine flush recipe is a delicious blend of Marvel Mystery Oil (very light weight and good at dissolving gums and sludges), Kroil (best penetrant on the planet), ATF (detergent/dispersant with good lubricity), and Berryman B12 ChemTool (good at dissolving crud too tough for Marvel Mystery Oil). My procedure involves warming up the engine, draining the oil, changing the oil filter, replacing the drain plug (!), and pouring in the soup. For a 5-quart crankcase, I usually start with 1/1/2/1 (Marvel/Kroil/ATF/B12). Then start and run the engine in the driveway at around 1200 to 1700 RPM with no sudden acceleration and no load applied, for 15 minutes.

Shut down, drain (really let it drain, walk away for 45 minutes), change the filter again, repeat with new soup for 30 to 45 minutes depending how gross the first batch of soup was when it was drained and how quickly the second batch of soup cruds up. Check the dipstick periodically.

If the 2nd batch of soup comes out coalmine black and full of chunks, run in another batch of soup (and another new filter!) and repeat until chips, chunks and tar stop coming out when you drain it.

You'll note the filter is replaced before any attempt is made to introduce a flushing agent into the crankcase, and the filter is replaced again every time you drain a batch of flushing soup. Without doing this, you run the very real risk of inundating the filter, which will go into bypass mode and send all the loosened-up crud directly to the bearings and other critical parts: Goodbye, engine, it was nice gnawing you.

I've gotten amazing amounts of corruption and trash out of engines using this recipe and method. Other methods and other recipes may work better
for other people with other cars. And as always, be advised that if the engine is really tired and whipped, even a safe flush can cause additional problems in the form of "new" leaks.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:12 pm 
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For big flakey stuff...screw driver and a shop vac. After that...the soup.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:08 pm 
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Heavy Duty Engine Oils have plenty of detergent additives in them. You could just run a 10W-30 HDEO in your engine and the HDEO will slowly clean it out. If you're in a warm climate, 15W-40 would be the cheapest option. Keep an eye on it and change it whenever it thickens up. I'd be reluctant to chip the deposits off first as some could irretrievably fall into your engine.


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If it is that bad you'll likely end up rebuilding it anyway.

I cleaned up a really badly caked up 305 Chevy years ago for a kid. I told him before I did it that the motor would probably start smoking because of all the crap that inevitably falls into the pan. Motor ran like a top for a few weeks and then started smoking like a Mack truck with the pump turned up.

Another guy wanted me to do it to a 6.6 T/A and I refused. He got some other hack to do it for him, and then came and told me I was an idiot for not doing it. 3 weeks later he came and asked me how much to rebuild his 6.6 motor that had eaten a rod bearing. :lol:

Try the high detergent oil, or just use a quart of ATF. That might clean it gradually enough to keep it from clogging up oil passages.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:03 am 
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From what I've learned so far, ATF is a poor oil for flushing sludge from an engine. See Debunking the ATF-as-an-engine-flush myth

As alternatives to Dan's Engine Flush, other engine cleaners you might also want to consider are: See Re: Differences - Rotella 5W40 syn, RL 5W40, RL 0W40?


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 Post subject: cleaning
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:23 pm 
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thanks guys!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:52 pm 
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i say don't use the motor flush it'll blow your motor up and the easy way is just leave it be and change the oil reguraly

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:42 pm 
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you could pull the valve train and the head off, and soak them in diesel. or kerosene. or old gas. and buy a wire brush. thats what i did on my 5.2 when a nut fell off the air cleaner housing and got sucked into a cylinder. everything got put in the parts washing basin. rinse with water, and dry it with an air hose. if you dont want to pull the head. leave the crud. its been runnin for 35 years and aint broke.

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