Slant Six Forum :: 5 forward gears!

: Good news, folks. The T5 is in and running and
: driving!
:
: I took my '64 Dart for a drive this morning,
: and it was sweet. Everything works pretty
: much
: as advertised - hydro clutch works like a
: charm, trans fits well under the hump, upper
: and lower X
: members fit great, speedo even works...
:
: This is an all custom fabricated setup using an
: '85 V8 Mustang T5 and Slant 10" clutch
: w/ Mustang disc. I will post full details in
: the next week or so.
:
: One snag is that the 2nd synchro in this 17
: year old trans (off a slightly modded 140k
: 5.0L Mustang) is FRIED. I tried some quick
: shifts from 5000+ rpm, and got various
: levels of nasty grinding into 2nd depending
: on the wait time for the shift after clutch
: disengage. I half expected this since it was
: a cheap ($125), old trans. Also, my
: "iffy" in-stock driveshaft
: (52.5" vs. 54" needed) gives a
: little vibration so I need to get a
: new/better one. Neither are a big deal, and
: I can drive the car around for now, but no
: racing until I get those cleared up. I will
: either rebuild this trans, or possibly buy a
: new Ford Racing T5 ($1100) if I feel like I
: have the $$.
:
: Still have the 3.23s in it, so not TOO nuts
: yet, but it does some honkin' burnouts in
: 1st. I'll swap to 3.91s or 3.73s soon. 5th
: gear is crazy now - like 2000 rpm at 60-65
: mph.
:
: 5 forward gears, man!
:
: Lou

: <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Did you take photos? Maybe we could put
: together an article.
:
: Chuck</FONT>

:
: Good news, folks. The T5 is in and running and
: driving!
:
: I took my '64 Dart for a drive this morning,
: and it was sweet. Everything works pretty
: much
: as advertised - hydro clutch works like a
: charm, trans fits well under the hump, upper
: and lower X
: members fit great, speedo even works...
:
: This is an all custom fabricated setup using an
: '85 V8 Mustang T5 and Slant 10" clutch
: w/ Mustang disc. I will post full details in
: the next week or so.
:
: One snag is that the 2nd synchro in this 17
: year old trans (off a slightly modded 140k
: 5.0L Mustang) is FRIED. I tried some quick
: shifts from 5000+ rpm, and got various
: levels of nasty grinding into 2nd depending
: on the wait time for the shift after clutch
: disengage. I half expected this since it was
: a cheap ($125), old trans. Also, my
: "iffy" in-stock driveshaft
: (52.5" vs. 54" needed) gives a
: little vibration so I need to get a
: new/better one. Neither are a big deal, and
: I can drive the car around for now, but no
: racing until I get those cleared up. I will
: either rebuild this trans, or possibly buy a
: new Ford Racing T5 ($1100) if I feel like I
: have the $$.
:
: Still have the 3.23s in it, so not TOO nuts
: yet, but it does some honkin' burnouts in
: 1st. I'll swap to 3.91s or 3.73s soon. 5th
: gear is crazy now - like 2000 rpm at 60-65
: mph.
:
: 5 forward gears, man!
:
: Lou

: Good job Lou! Did you end up cutting the upper
: crossmember to get enough ground clearance?
: i'm looking forward to seeing the pictures.
: Also, your car looks good in those HRM
: pictures..
:
: I haven't touched my valiant in a while except
: for the occational evening trip around town.
: New (old) house is getting a new kitchen
: which puts the brakes on the car projects
: for a while. But the 5spd is working well,
: home made driveshaft makes my butt numb if I
: drive over 50mph though. Need to swap the
: rear end and get a real driveshaft made soon
: so I can play with it..

:
: Hey Matt,
:
: Good to hear from you. I did chop into the top
: and underside/driver's side of the upper X.
: Made a bolt-in upper X out of 1/8"
: plate and 1X2" box tubing that is very
: stout, but not too obtrusive - got my
: TIG-welding Caltech buddy to help with that
: when I was back in June. I also need a real
: driveshaft, but may just be able to use a
: late Dart or Aspen shaft. Thanks again for
: the advice on the TOB and master cyl, as
: that was a snap to install, although it took
: a while to bleed for some reason.
:
: Cheers,
:
: Lou

: If you remember, I extended that -4 bleeder
: line up next to the master cyl with enough
: slack that it can be positioned higher than
: the MC for bleeding. Makes it real easy to
: bleed. I just open it up and pump the pedal
: a couple times slowly, so I don't squirt all
: over, and I'm done. Would work better with a
: small low press check valve in the bleed
: line, like a brake speed bleeder. But I
: really doubt I'll have to mess with it much.
: Just make sure those braded lines are secure
: so they don't rub your pressure plate like
: mine did. That wasn't fun.
:
: Did that TSM brake kit get installed, I forget?
: Parking brake?
:
: matt-

: Hey Chuck,
: I did take a bunch of photos, but I haven't
: finished the roll yet. Durn old fashioned
: film cameras... I will be amenable to
: getting an article together when I have
: worked the bugs out.
: Cheers,
: Lou

: I bet the 64 will be a whole different car on a
: road course. Keep us posted on the
: "debugging", kinda a bummer on the
: soft #2 syncrow, I wonder how hard these are
: to rebuild?
: DD

: Hey Chuck,
:
: I did take a bunch of photos, but I haven't
: finished the roll yet. Durn old fashioned
: film cameras... I will be amenable to
: getting an article together when I have
: worked the bugs out.
:
: Cheers,
:
: Lou

: <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Let us know if you need help scanning the
: pictures. Doug or I can do it if you can't.
:
: Chuck</FONT>

Author:	Dart270 [ Mon Jul 08, 2002 9:54 am ]
Post subject:	5 forward gears!
Good news, folks. The T5 is in and running and driving! I took my '64 Dart for a drive this morning, and it was sweet. Everything works pretty much as advertised - hydro clutch works like a charm, trans fits well under the hump, upper and lower X members fit great, speedo even works... This is an all custom fabricated setup using an '85 V8 Mustang T5 and Slant 10" clutch w/ Mustang disc. I will post full details in the next week or so. One snag is that the 2nd synchro in this 17 year old trans (off a slightly modded 140k 5.0L Mustang) is FRIED. I tried some quick shifts from 5000+ rpm, and got various levels of nasty grinding into 2nd depending on the wait time for the shift after clutch disengage. I half expected this since it was a cheap ($125), old trans. Also, my "iffy" in-stock driveshaft (52.5" vs. 54" needed) gives a little vibration so I need to get a new/better one. Neither are a big deal, and I can drive the car around for now, but no racing until I get those cleared up. I will either rebuild this trans, or possibly buy a new Ford Racing T5 ($1100) if I feel like I have the $$. Still have the 3.23s in it, so not TOO nuts yet, but it does some honkin' burnouts in 1st. I'll swap to 3.91s or 3.73s soon. 5th gear is crazy now - like 2000 rpm at 60-65 mph. 5 forward gears, man! Lou lmadsen@email.unc.edu

Author:	Chuck Rivers [ Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:43 am ]
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Quote: : Good news, folks. The T5 is in and running and : driving! : : I took my '64 Dart for a drive this morning, : and it was sweet. Everything works pretty : much : as advertised - hydro clutch works like a : charm, trans fits well under the hump, upper : and lower X : members fit great, speedo even works... : : This is an all custom fabricated setup using an : '85 V8 Mustang T5 and Slant 10" clutch : w/ Mustang disc. I will post full details in : the next week or so. : : One snag is that the 2nd synchro in this 17 : year old trans (off a slightly modded 140k : 5.0L Mustang) is FRIED. I tried some quick : shifts from 5000+ rpm, and got various : levels of nasty grinding into 2nd depending : on the wait time for the shift after clutch : disengage. I half expected this since it was : a cheap ($125), old trans. Also, my : "iffy" in-stock driveshaft : (52.5" vs. 54" needed) gives a : little vibration so I need to get a : new/better one. Neither are a big deal, and : I can drive the car around for now, but no : racing until I get those cleared up. I will : either rebuild this trans, or possibly buy a : new Ford Racing T5 ($1100) if I feel like I : have the $$. : : Still have the 3.23s in it, so not TOO nuts : yet, but it does some honkin' burnouts in : 1st. I'll swap to 3.91s or 3.73s soon. 5th : gear is crazy now - like 2000 rpm at 60-65 : mph. : : 5 forward gears, man! : : Lou <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Did you take photos? Maybe we could put together an article. Chuck</FONT> webmaster@omnipages.com

Author:	Dart270 [ Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:18 am ]
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Quote: : <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Did you take photos? Maybe we could put : together an article. : : Chuck</FONT> Hey Chuck, I did take a bunch of photos, but I haven't finished the roll yet. Durn old fashioned film cameras... I will be amenable to getting an article together when I have worked the bugs out. Cheers, Lou lmadsen@email.unc.edu

Author:	Matt [ Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 5 forward gears!
Good job Lou! Did you end up cutting the upper crossmember to get enough ground clearance? i'm looking forward to seeing the pictures. Also, your car looks good in those HRM pictures.. I haven't touched my valiant in a while except for the occational evening trip around town. New (old) house is getting a new kitchen which puts the brakes on the car projects for a while. But the 5spd is working well, home made driveshaft makes my butt numb if I drive over 50mph though. Need to swap the rear end and get a real driveshaft made soon so I can play with it.. Quote: : : Good news, folks. The T5 is in and running and : driving! : : I took my '64 Dart for a drive this morning, : and it was sweet. Everything works pretty : much : as advertised - hydro clutch works like a : charm, trans fits well under the hump, upper : and lower X : members fit great, speedo even works... : : This is an all custom fabricated setup using an : '85 V8 Mustang T5 and Slant 10" clutch : w/ Mustang disc. I will post full details in : the next week or so. : : One snag is that the 2nd synchro in this 17 : year old trans (off a slightly modded 140k : 5.0L Mustang) is FRIED. I tried some quick : shifts from 5000+ rpm, and got various : levels of nasty grinding into 2nd depending : on the wait time for the shift after clutch : disengage. I half expected this since it was : a cheap ($125), old trans. Also, my : "iffy" in-stock driveshaft : (52.5" vs. 54" needed) gives a : little vibration so I need to get a : new/better one. Neither are a big deal, and : I can drive the car around for now, but no : racing until I get those cleared up. I will : either rebuild this trans, or possibly buy a : new Ford Racing T5 ($1100) if I feel like I : have the $$. : : Still have the 3.23s in it, so not TOO nuts : yet, but it does some honkin' burnouts in : 1st. I'll swap to 3.91s or 3.73s soon. 5th : gear is crazy now - like 2000 rpm at 60-65 : mph. : : 5 forward gears, man! : : Lou mhaskell@reliant.com

Author:	Dart270 [ Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 5 forward gears!
Quote: : Good job Lou! Did you end up cutting the upper : crossmember to get enough ground clearance? : i'm looking forward to seeing the pictures. : Also, your car looks good in those HRM : pictures.. : : I haven't touched my valiant in a while except : for the occational evening trip around town. : New (old) house is getting a new kitchen : which puts the brakes on the car projects : for a while. But the 5spd is working well, : home made driveshaft makes my butt numb if I : drive over 50mph though. Need to swap the : rear end and get a real driveshaft made soon : so I can play with it.. Hey Matt, Good to hear from you. I did chop into the top and underside/driver's side of the upper X. Made a bolt-in upper X out of 1/8" plate and 1X2" box tubing that is very stout, but not too obtrusive - got my TIG-welding Caltech buddy to help with that when I was back in June. I also need a real driveshaft, but may just be able to use a late Dart or Aspen shaft. Thanks again for the advice on the TOB and master cyl, as that was a snap to install, although it took a while to bleed for some reason. Cheers, Lou

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Author:	Matt [ Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:48 pm ]
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If you remember, I extended that -4 bleeder line up next to the master cyl with enough slack that it can be positioned higher than the MC for bleeding. Makes it real easy to bleed. I just open it up and pump the pedal a couple times slowly, so I don't squirt all over, and I'm done. Would work better with a small low press check valve in the bleed line, like a brake speed bleeder. But I really doubt I'll have to mess with it much. Just make sure those braded lines are secure so they don't rub your pressure plate like mine did. That wasn't fun. Did that TSM brake kit get installed, I forget? Parking brake? matt- Quote: : : Hey Matt, : : Good to hear from you. I did chop into the top : and underside/driver's side of the upper X. : Made a bolt-in upper X out of 1/8" : plate and 1X2" box tubing that is very : stout, but not too obtrusive - got my : TIG-welding Caltech buddy to help with that : when I was back in June. I also need a real : driveshaft, but may just be able to use a : late Dart or Aspen shaft. Thanks again for : the advice on the TOB and master cyl, as : that was a snap to install, although it took : a while to bleed for some reason. : : Cheers, : : Lou mhaskell@reliant.com

Author:	Dart270 [ Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 5 forward gears!
Quote: : If you remember, I extended that -4 bleeder : line up next to the master cyl with enough : slack that it can be positioned higher than : the MC for bleeding. Makes it real easy to : bleed. I just open it up and pump the pedal : a couple times slowly, so I don't squirt all : over, and I'm done. Would work better with a : small low press check valve in the bleed : line, like a brake speed bleeder. But I : really doubt I'll have to mess with it much. : Just make sure those braded lines are secure : so they don't rub your pressure plate like : mine did. That wasn't fun. : : Did that TSM brake kit get installed, I forget? : Parking brake? : : matt- Matt, Yep, the rear discs are in and work very well. I didn't think the braking could get much better, but it did. No parking brake yet, but I'll probably go with their kit too. Good tip on the bleeder line, I might do that. Don't worry, I tied the lines back away from the PP pretty well. Cheers, Lou

Author:	Doctor Dodge (Doug Dutra) [ Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:38 pm ]
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Quote: : Hey Chuck, : I did take a bunch of photos, but I haven't : finished the roll yet. Durn old fashioned : film cameras... I will be amenable to : getting an article together when I have : worked the bugs out. : Cheers, : Lou I bet the 64 will be a whole different car on a road course. Keep us posted on the "debugging", kinda a bummer on the soft #2 syncrow, I wonder how hard these are to rebuild? DD

Author:	Dart270 [ Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 5 forward gears!
Quote: : I bet the 64 will be a whole different car on a : road course. Keep us posted on the : "debugging", kinda a bummer on the : soft #2 syncrow, I wonder how hard these are : to rebuild? : DD Yep, I drove it again last night. Fun, but very annoying trying to guess when I can put it into 2nd and not grind - got that figured out. I can see I'll have to practice a bit on downshifting and heel-toe before my next "outing". Gotta get that hanging gas pedal in there too. Right now I'm planning to order a new Ford Racing T5 from Summit next month (when I have the $$$), then rebuild the old one at my leisure. Cheers, Lou

Author:	Chuck Rivers [ Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 5 forward gears!
Quote: : Hey Chuck, : : I did take a bunch of photos, but I haven't : finished the roll yet. Durn old fashioned : film cameras... I will be amenable to : getting an article together when I have : worked the bugs out. : : Cheers, : : Lou <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Let us know if you need help scanning the pictures. Doug or I can do it if you can't. Chuck</FONT> webmaster@omnipages.com

Author:	Dart270 [ Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:00 pm ]
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Quote: : <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Let us know if you need help scanning the : pictures. Doug or I can do it if you can't. : : Chuck</FONT> Chuck, thanks for the offer. I'll let ya know if I need any help. Lou

Author:	Fredsgarage [ Wed May 13, 2020 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 5 forward gears!
So OLD Thread I get it. But I am very interested in putting a 5 speed behind my 64 Dart Slant 225. Two reasons to do so are Overdrive and Weight Saving. Overdrive because you can cruise at higher speed and get better mileage. Weight saving because hopefully you can change to a aluminum case trans and aluminum bellhousing. The A833 and the Cast Iron Bell weigh a ton!!!!

Author:	Dart270 [ Wed May 13, 2020 1:49 pm ]
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There are many more threads on 5 speed swaps, from the early-mid 2000s. Try the search function. I am still running this trans and it has worked very well on the street, dragstrip, road courses, autoX... I will probably do another T5 swap on my 62 Valiant in the next year or three, which currently has an OD 833 w/alum case. I am an overdrive-aholic. My 68 turbo Dart has a 200-4R auto and previously had an A500 Mopar 4spd OD trans. Lou

Author:	Greg Ondayko [ Thu May 14, 2020 5:25 am ]
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Cool old post! Thanks for the archeological Dig, Will be helpful for the t5 install I am about to do! Greg

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Author:	GregCon [ Thu May 14, 2020 5:27 am ]
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You know it's an old post when Lou talks about not having used up his roll of film yet lol