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 Post subject: Cleaning out a Slant
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:21 am 
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Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:43 pm
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Location: North Attleboro, MA
Car Model: 1973 Plymouth Valiant Sedan
I am inside a Slant 6 for the first time right now. My plan is to just replace the rings because everything else seems okay. I am told that the bearings are good and everything else seems correct so I'm gonna leave the crank alone and just pull the pistons one at a time

The only real problem I see is that the previous owner must not have changed the oil very much. Everything is filthy and caked. So my question is, what would be the best thing to use to clean out this motor? I just wanna flush the whole thing out. Any suggestions? Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:57 am 
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Location: Fircrest, WA
Car Model: 76 D100
Put it back together and run good quality 5W-30 motor oil and a 195 degree thermostat. Use a Napa Gold or Wix oil filter and change the oil regularly.

You could also try some of Uncle Dan's Motor Cleaning Soup:
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Careful-careful-careful. Those "engine flush" compounds you can find at the auto parts store can do a tremendous amount of damage.

I have long maintained that your engine is not a toilet (Chevrolet Vega, Cadillac HT4100 and V8-6-4, and Ford 3.0 owners excepted) and therefore does not need flushing except under specific and rare conditions as a corrective measure. Everyone's got a pet theory on how best to flush a crudded-up engine without pulling the pan. Some methods are harmless but ineffective. Some methods are potentially harmful. Some methods are harmless and effective. For best results, pick one of that last kind.

I do not believe there is any such thing as a safe, effective and fast engine flush procedure. You can pick any two of these three: Safe and effective (but not fast), safe and fast (but not effective), effective and fast (but not safe). The risks fall into two categories:
Softening/damaging engine gaskets and seals so they don't seal well any more
Sweeping large amounts of dirt and crud from its resting place into the oil filter, which plugs and goes into bypass mode, sending the cräp directly to the bearings and quickly failing the engine. I watched this happen to a Chev 305 once. It was quite a spectacle.


Those "5-minute engine flush" compounds mostly contain Butyl Cellosolve,
which is a specialized solvent that's very good at one particular task: Cleaning the mayonnaise out of a crankcase that's had coolant in it due to a faulty head (etc.) gasket. Their use in any other situation is risky.

My own engine flush recipe is a delicious blend of Marvel Mystery Oil (very light weight and good at dissolving gums and sludges), Kroil (best penetrant on the planet), ATF (detergent/dispersant with good lubricity), and Berryman B12 ChemTool (good at dissolving crud too tough for Marvel Mystery Oil). My procedure involves warming up the engine, draining the oil, changing the oil filter, replacing the drain plug (!), and pouring in the soup. For a 5-quart crankcase, I usually start with 1/1/2/1 (Marvel/Kroil/ATF/B12). Then start and run the engine in the driveway at around 1200 to 1700 RPM with no sudden acceleration and no load applied, for 15 minutes.

Shut down, drain (really let it drain, walk away for 45 minutes), change the filter again, repeat with new soup for 30 to 45 minutes depending how gross the first batch of soup was when it was drained and how quickly the second batch of soup cruds up. Check the dipstick periodically.

If the 2nd batch of soup comes out coalmine black and full of chunks, run in another batch of soup (and another new filter!) and repeat until chips, chunks and tar stop coming out when you drain it.

You'll note the filter is replaced before any attempt is made to introduce a flushing agent into the crankcase, and the filter is replaced again every time you drain a batch of flushing soup. Without doing this, you run the very real risk of inundating the filter, which will go into bypass mode and send all the loosened-up crud directly to the bearings and other critical parts: Goodbye, engine, it was nice gnawing you.

I've gotten amazing amounts of corruption and trash out of engines using this recipe and method. Other methods and other recipes may work better
for other people with other cars. And as always, be advised that if the engine is really tired and whipped, even a safe flush can cause additional problems in the form of "new" leaks.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:07 pm 
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I just used some NULON Engine flush in mine,did a great job.Don't know if you can get it over there,but Valvoline Engine flush does just as good a job.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:10 pm 
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Location: So California
Car Model: 64 Plymouth Valiant
What year is the vehicle?

Earlier slants use a 180 degree thermostat.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:34 pm 
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Location: Portland-ish
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Auto RX appears to work well for clean-up.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:46 pm 
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Location: North Attleboro, MA
Car Model: 1973 Plymouth Valiant Sedan
My car is a '73 but I'm working on fixing up a '72 engine. You guys will have to forgive me, I'm very much a newbie to understanding the way things work under the hood of a car. What does the thermostat have to do with any of this? What do I aim to accomplish by replacing it? The engine is completely disassembled right now, down to the block. Oil pan off. I'm hoping to find some sort of simple (but also safe) product that I can spray inside to loosen up the crud. Also wouldn't mind cleaning off the outside of the motor... the cruds pretty thick on the outside too.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:16 am 
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Location: Fircrest, WA
Car Model: 76 D100
Running too cold of a thermostat can lead to sludge building up in the motor. Thermostats are cheap and easy to replace. Purchase the correct thermostat for you particular year of car. The correct temperature rating will be 180 or 195 degrees.

If you really want to clean the motor out, completely disassemble it and take it to a machine shop and have them "hot tank" the block and cylinder head. This is an acid bath that will completely clean the inside and outside of the engine. You will need to paint the outside of the motor again because the acid bath will strip it down to the bare metal.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:09 pm 
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I use kerosene.No smoking of course.Scrape the heavy deposits out first.A parts cleaning brush and tooth brush with a lot of patience.Good luck.


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