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 Post subject: Critique my Cam.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:16 pm 
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Turbo EFI
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Car Model: 1963 Dart 270, 1980 D150
Looking at some lobes from Oregon Cam Grinding and came up with this cam.
63 Dart,
904, 3000 stall speed
3.55:1 gears
9.0:1 CR
Hyper Pak 450Holley
Clifford Headers

Intake: from Grind #819
Lobe LIft-.291"
Duration @ .050" - 219
Duration @ .020" - 248
Valve Lift: .437"
Intake centerline- 106

Exhaust: from Grind #818
Lobe LIft-.287
Duration @ .050" - 212
Duration @ .020" - 240
Valve Lift: .431"
Intake centerline- 110

LSA 108


@.050
In opens 3 closes 36
Ex opens 42 Closes -10


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:23 pm 
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Those are almost stock cams, in my book. If you are trying to make some HP, go bigger. I don't consider anything under 220 @ 0.050" a performance cam for the 225. With a 3000 stall, you can easily run something in the range 226-240 @0.050". With 9.0:1 and that stall I would run the Oregon #346 as is:

234 @0.050" INT 228 @0.050" EXH 106 LSA 0.480" lift on both

Install it at 100 deg centerline.

On the other hand, you can ask anyone on this site, and they will tell you that I like bigger cams than many other folks.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:27 pm 
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That's a pretty tame cam. It would probably work well with a stock torque converter if the compression ratio really comes in at 9:1. If you want something that idles smooth and has a lot off off-idle torque it's a good choice, but it doesn't need a 3000 RPM stall converter. If you want more power stick with that converter and bump up the cam duration and compression ratio.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:04 pm 
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I was trying to come up with something close to the Erson RV15 RDP. Doc suggested the 3000 stall with my 3.55 gear. Perhaps misunderstood.
I will look onto something bigger. Hmmmm.
Thanks guys.
Brad


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:08 pm 
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Idle quality is not important to me. I want to buy ONE cam even if it is not optimum for my set up initially as this will be an on-going project.
That 346 grind does look good.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:31 pm 
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The Oregon #346 cam will make good power if the cylinder head flows well and nothing else is really wrong. I'd try for 10:1 compression ratio with that cam, but it will be alright with at least 9:1.

Measure the piston to deck clearance. Feeler gauges and a straight edge will do. Using that measurement along with the bore size and cylinder head CCs we can calculate the compression ratio. Well, you can too. I like the calculator on the KB pistons web site. http://www.kb-silvolite.com/

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:39 am 
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Cam choices can vary based on skill of tuning and preference for engine combo. Doc will recommend one cam for a combo, and Josh another, and I another. All of them could work well if the motor is set up well and tuned well. I have tried about 6-8 cams with a range of specs over the years, with different centerlines and such. Doc has tried many more.

My point is that there is not one solution, but a family of solutions.

Let the discussions continue... :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:36 pm 
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I understand. I have built quite a few SBC and SBF engines for street and race application. I am just drawing on the more experienced of you as I have never hot rodded a slant six.
Thanks guys.
Brad


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:21 am 
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So what are the head specs? What does it flow, what valves, etc. Also purpose, car weight, etc.
Frank
Im with Lou on the heavy cam side of things.

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