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Author:  eugene [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  I need a rear end (don't we all?)
Can anyone give me a clue as to how I could find an 8 1/4 rear end (or some kind of easily findable and installable rear) to replace the little 7 inch rear in my 66 cuda? I am scouring the net and finding nothing at all...perhaps I don't know the proper key words to search?
Author:  Doc [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:12 am ]
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There are always a few A-Body (5 on 4 inch bolt pattern) 8 3/4 units on ebag... search: mopar 8 3 4 a

The trouble with the 8 3/4 swap is that it becomes expensive... that is why many look for A-Body 8 1/4 units or change lug patterns, then use the F@rd 8 inch.

What is wrong with the 7 1/4 you currently have??
DD
Author:  eugene [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:55 am ]
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Nothing is wrong with my current rear, but I am looking to beef up the compression on the slant 6 or swap out eventually for a 318 or something with more ummmfff. I figure that if I get a more powerful power plant, I will need to bump up to an 8 1/4, no?
Author:  2 Darts [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:31 pm ]
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The 7¼ has a somewhat undeserved bad rap. The hotest Mopar put in front of it was the 273HP with a 904 auto. 273 HPs with 4 spds got the 8.75.

IMO, a master plan for how you're going to develop the car is essential. There are other options on the rear if, for instance, you're going to put a BBP disk brake set-up under the front end.

If you plan to drag race the car, you might want to re-consider using a C-clip rear end (that takes out both the 7¼ and the 8¼).
Author:  Joshie225 [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:36 pm ]
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Actually in '65 the HP273 with a 4-speed was still backed by the 7 1/4. Also, most of our 7 1/4s have bolt in axles, not C-clip.
Author:  Charrlie_S [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:27 am ]
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The 7¼ has a somewhat undeserved bad rap.
I agree, as long as it is a sure grip. I am running a 3.91 SG 7 1/4 rear with slicks and 358 ft/lbs torque.

But, Eugene, in your case, I think I would keep my eyes open for a 8 inch Ford rear, or an "A" body 8 1/4, and change the front to large bolt pattern.
Author:  eugene [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:11 am ]
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Yes, for now I am going to keep looking for a 8 1/4. I am a little intimidated by the Ford 8 inch. It is not a perfect bolt in, plus I am not sure what Ford year would be the best match for my cuda...looks like I am going to keep looking at ebay from what everyone is saying...
Author:  65 dartman [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:27 am ]
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Couple of months ago I bought a 73 or 74 A Body 8.25 that I may end up selling (unless another A Body comes along). I wouldn't be using it in my other A Bodies since I have 8.75s for them! The PO disassembled it for inspection and cleaned and painted the housing black. He ran into some money issues so I bought it. I was going to use it in my 65 Valiant convertible; however, I found the the Valiant has several severe cases of underbody cancer. If any interest let me know.
Author:  eugene [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:45 pm ]
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Would it be a straightforward bolt on or would I have to do any tricks? Do you happen to know?
Author:  65 dartman [ Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:28 am ]
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Other than reassembling it, it's a straight bolt in affair to the A Body.
Author:  Charrlie_S [ Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:42 am ]
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Other than reassembling it, it's a straight bolt in affair to the A Body.
Installing a "A" Body 8 1/4 rear into a "A" body that had a 7 1/4 rear, will require the correct shock plates and "U" bolts, as the axle tube is larger. Will also require a shorter drive shaft. I don't know about the park brake cables. But yes it is almost a straight bolt in.
Author:  ceej [ Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:04 am ]
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How much are you going to build the slant? Are you having problems with the 7-1/4"?
If I was going to the trouble of changing out, I'd go straight to the 8-3/4". There would have to be a pretty good reason to do so behind an automatic transmission slant six.
Sure, you can scatter a 7-1/4", but your going to have to do something really foolish to get it to grenade on you.
Charrlie doesn't blow them up, and he uses more Nitrous than most sane people. :lol:
I didn't pull my 7-1/4 because I though it was going to fail, I wanted to be able to swap gears at the track, and LBP all in one step. (I run a Ford 8")
If your doing this for a street build, it likely isn't that necessary.

As far as the 318 is concerned, yeah, probably better do something if it's anything more than stock. If installing a rear that requires some fabrication is going to be a challenge though, you don't want to think about the V8 swap. Done a K-frame yet?

2¢

CJ
Author:  eugene [ Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:13 am ]
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What I got from Charlie was that he had a sure grip. I do not, so I thought it would be best to swap it out.

Am I hearing you right that you are saying, a beefed up, rebuilt slant 6 will not kill the rear so long as I don't hammer it at the track?

Also, can you expand a bit on the 318 issue? Are you saying that will be a real pain in the arse by way of a rear end upgrade, more than what I was projecting?
Author:  66aCUDA [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:52 am ]
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Eugene
I also have a 66 Cuda. I think the 318 is more trouble than its worth. A hopped up slant is plenty. The 7 1/4 is fine and you can get a SG if you look around. Most of the slants I have have either a 7 1/4 or 8 3/4. I run the 7 1/4 and if I have any problems I THEN swap to a larger rear. Other than bearing issues or howl I havent had any problems with an 7 1/4.
My 02.
Frank
Oh I use the K-H front brakes so I like to stay with the SBP rears.
Author:  limedust70 [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:36 am ]
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My 70 Duster came with a 318, auto & 7 1/4. The only problem I had with the rear was a bearing let go at 65 mph on 101 near Ventura. The tire, wheel & axle walked out of the housing, smacked through the side marker, and went bouncing across the highway. Needless to say the bottom of the left side U-bolts were ground shorter and the lower shock mount was ground flat. The brake backing plate was also ground down. A new bearing went in along with the original axle & it was still running fine when the engine came out six years ago. Like everyone has said, unless you are going to a big bolt pattern the 7 1/4 will probably be fine. Just pay attention to grinding noises from the rear.
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