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Author:  65CrewCabPW [ Wed May 04, 2011 9:06 pm ]
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Any thoughts on remote oil filter systems?

I thought I might like to switch to a two filter system on my truck, for both added capacity and for extra cooling. Besides, I really, REALLY hate the mess it makes to pull the dadgum filter off and have the dirty oil go all over creation.

Any experiences?
Author:  emsvitil [ Wed May 04, 2011 10:18 pm ]
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I did it on my toyota truck............


If you add a remote filter, I'd also add a engine oil cooler............
Author:  DonPal [ Thu May 05, 2011 10:05 am ]
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Remote oil filter with filter flipped over and easily accessible worked for me. Summit had all the parts including block adapter, hoses, & filter adapter.

Adding the accusump into the system with remotely activated solenoid adds the ability to precharge critical motor areas with oil prior to initially firing it up. Added Accusump oil storage compensates for running the pan a quart low to decrease internal engine drag from the connecting rods slapping into a normal oil level.

Oil filter changes from above...gotto love it!!!
Author:  DonPal [ Sat May 07, 2011 4:56 am ]
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Photo of installation:

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Author:  65CrewCabPW [ Sat May 07, 2011 12:29 pm ]
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I did a search for remote oil filter installs here and since the number of responses is pretty small, I'm sort of in the mode to say that what few have been done have been a success. Would that accurately describe things?

I don't think I've ever even seen a remote install before, but since nothing I found searching and no responders pointed out any pitfalls or problems, I guess it's quite straightforward.

How long should the hoses last? Does anyone have problems with having an oil change done at a shop, or at least have them complain they don't know what filter to use?

Thanks, much appreciated.
Author:  DonPal [ Sat May 07, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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I used a pair of 24 inch Summit hoses but could have gotten away with one 24 inch & one 18 inch. My hoses are only 2 years old so I can't give you a life prediction based on my excperience.

The filter has the number printed on it and is the same that the Slant would require....in my case a NAPA 1806 so I can't see a shop having a hangup on this. A shop use to getting oil dripping down all over everything might find the remote install a pleasant improvement...I do my own & love it mess avoidance.

Summit sells the hoses in pairs of the same length.

If you want several large pictures of the install send me a PM with your email address.

A check valve in the line assures flow direction.

If your looking for a negative......I'm scratching for one...how about to get to distributor it gets a little harder with the hoses coming up further then the standard oil filter....however it's pushing it to call this a negative since the oil filter next to distributor is gone so it's a wash.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sat May 07, 2011 2:06 pm ]
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It seems to me you are making an issue where there isn't one. The amount of "extra capacity and cooling" you'd get with a 2-filter system isn't necessary or beneficial, and remember you are increasing the length and tortuity of the path oil has to take to and from the filter, needlessly introducing extra restriction into the system. If you are really rabid to have greater oil capacity (why?), then just use the extra-tall filter (NAPA Gold 1773, Wix 51773).

If the oil is "going all over creation" when you remove the filter, it means you've forgotten to put a drain pan underneath first.
Author:  DonPal [ Sat May 07, 2011 2:22 pm ]
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To Dan's point....the Summit remote oil filter system I installed doesn't add additional filter capacity...only moves it. I personally would avoid the resistance Dan speaks off when routing the oil through extra filtering.

Since the Accusump system seemed to be best installed using a remote oili filter, the remote filter is just a result of the Accusump system & not the primary goal.
Author:  AHamilton [ Sat May 07, 2011 2:29 pm ]
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New to /6's, but quite knowledgable to engines, is there not a larger capacity pan to hold extra oil? I do like remote filters personally, have not used one on any of my cars, but at work there are set up for 2 differect micron filtrations. None of my cars sports a high HP motor, one I would feel needed with extra filtration.
Author:  65 dartman [ Sat May 07, 2011 3:49 pm ]
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Aussies have been using a remote filter set-up on their slants as well as LA V-8s since the steering box is in the way. Don't think they have any issues with a remote filter.
Author:  DonPal [ Sun May 08, 2011 6:26 am ]
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The issue of added flow resistance Dan referenced might be addressed by whether the added filtration is installed in:
1)series
2)parallel

Extra deep filters would be expected to add a pressure drop since the pressure drop increases with added length of path thru the filtering media at a given flow rate.

However filters installed in parallel such as two filters side by side connected to a common mainfold might actually drop pressure drop below a factory single filter since the flow is diminished thru each filter at a specific rpm.

Has anyone tried measuring pressure drop thru a filter or the lines?......I think a test (at a given rpm)would be a comparision of pressure drops:
1)in the lines
2)across a single normal length filter
3)across an extra deep filter
4)across a pair of filters(in parallel) connected to a manifold
5)across a used versus new filter

My 24 inch long hoses say 1/2 ID but at the 1/2NPT fitting the ID of the fitting is dropped briefly to 3/8 where it slides into the 1/2 hose.

My Accusump guage always reads 50 psi (unless discharged) so that would be the highest pressure occuring after the filter(the solenoid acts as a temp checkvalve storing the highest reading). (I'm never over 2100 rpm).

If no one has the data I can add some guages & quantify the concern....maybe a few comparision plots like the Chrysler ignition versus HEI on spark duration & intensity.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sun May 08, 2011 9:10 am ]
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The issue of added flow resistance Dan referenced might be addressed by whether the added filtration is installed in:
1)series
2)parallel
Not really, no. I'm not talking about resistance through the filters, I'm talking about resistance through hoses and fittings and elbows and adaptors.
Author:  Brussell [ Sun May 08, 2011 9:45 am ]
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Wouldn't just one filter be enough?

Does oil cooling matter for street use at all, would it provide any benefit?

Is their much internal engine drag, that a noticeable gain can be experienced from using an Accusump setup? or is that more beneficial in oiling the engine before startup...

Sorry to hijack, just my current (limited) knowledge suggests that it's not really necessary.

I have a remote setup that came with the car, makes it alot easier for filter changes, haven't had to replace hoses (about a year or so old) yet.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sun May 08, 2011 10:33 am ]
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Wouldn't just one filter be enough?
Yes. There is nothing inadequate about the original poster's engine oil capacity, filtration, or cooling. I'm not sure why he wants to mess with it.
Author:  65CrewCabPW [ Sun May 08, 2011 10:11 pm ]
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In my estimation, pretty much all engine oil filtering is extremely lacking. That black gunk in the engine that has to be changed all the time is not 'clean' in the slightest.

I do appreciate that there's additional "restriction" in the hoses that run between the filterhead and the remote filterhead, however, that could easily be made up by running parallel filters, which have not just signficant restriction, but very high restriction to flow, meaning the bypass is open, especially in older, worn engines with higher clearances, driving a 3-7 psi pressure drop across the filter itself, meaning less percentage of the oil goes through filtration, and a higher percent manages to simply go round and round without ever seeing anything but a coarse screen. Parallel filters could not do anything BUT help, in my estimation.

Since I have never seen a remote oil filter install in real life, I asked the question in the OP, on the presumption that there may be some who have seen sub-standard systems out there and since I have to buy sight unseen, I could avoid them and any substandard parts, as well.

Since this engine is going to run on propane, I am paying close attention to the lubrication and air filtration, to try to ensure that it will have an extremely long life that's enabled by not running gasoline and the carbon byproducts that get into your oil and wear the rings/walls/bearings etc. I am also looking for a Frantz or Motorguard TP style oil filter, to add in addition to the dual filtration. When I was young, my father was a Motorguard salesman and we ran TP oil filters on several very long lived rigs that not only got used hard, but maintained very little. One of them was a parts runner truck that did 100,000 miles of runs that never exceeded 20 miles and most were under 3, and the slant six started that life at about 80,000 miles put on it by the government. That truck went on after our 100,000 miles of use to then be used as a farm truck, driven daily and nearly constantly in farm use for another 10 years.

There is no such thing as "too clean" of oil.
This truck is going to see offroad use, desert runs in extreme dust, possible towing and even worse... start and stop a lot. I should also add that it will get driven as hard a slant six will run, plenty of WOT throttle time.
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